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    Unfortunately from what I have witnessed over time, is that the ONLY time Israel is every mentioned in the main stream press is when it is being vilified. Any mention of arms for Hamas or Iran, etc, is left out unless they can somehow twist the story to show either in the light of somehow being victimized by the evil Israel!
    This piece of news, not looking good for Hamas or Iran will not make the rounds.



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    Israel’s Unit 8200 refuseniks: ‘you can’t run from responsibility’

    Did you feel your were violating people’s rights?

    N: Definitely. In Israeli intelligence regarding Palestinians, they don’t really have rights. Nobody asks that question. It’s not [like] Israeli citizens, where if you want to gather information about them you need to go to court.

    A: The only limitation is the limitation of resources. There’s no procedural questions regarding who can and cannot be surveilled. Everybody is fair game.

    N: An 18-year-old soldier who thinks: “We need to gather information on this or that person” – that 18-year-old kid [in Unit 8200] is the one that decides.

    A: It is well known that the intelligence is used. People are arrested in the Palestinian territories. Sometimes without trial. And even when they are taken to trial it’s often with evidence that can’t be exposed [in court] because it is classified. And the intelligence is used to apply pressure to people, to make them cooperate with Israel. These are all things that are known.
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    A: I should say there are a lot of people who, when they leave the military service they start seeing Palestinians as people not just as sources of information, and getting a bigger picture of what’s happening and a lot of people … there’s very different levels of commitment and enthusiasm in doing the reserve service and a lot of people taper off.

    D: It was clear from the beginning we wanted to do everything legally. We went to a lawyer and said we don’t want to commit an offence or say anything not allowed to can you help us figure out what we would be allowed to say.

    N: We’re not telling secrets about what we did or the way the unit works. We don’t want to do that. We don’t want to hurt national security, we just want to say what is wrong with the things we did and the unit does.

    We want people to know that being in intelligence is not clean, and to control a population of millions you can’t just do counter-terrorism and hurt the people who want to hurt you.
    It matches some of the issues raised in 'Gatekeepers' and casts another light on the difficult situation of citiziens willing to serve and protect their country but also playing their part in oppressing other:

    A: I think we have said that some of the things that the IDF does really does deserve the title defence forces, but there is a significant proportion of what it is doing that does not deserve this title. It’s in the interests of perpetuating a regime that is oppressive. That is not democratic. It is these things we are trying to bring to the attention of Israeli public first and foremost. To create a discussion and think critically about it.
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    Default What does it say when the IDF is the sanest voice in Israel?

    Without doubt an opinionated article on the IDF and politics; on a previously unheard of website:http://972mag.com/what-does-it-say-w...israel/114514/
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    Default Why is Israel so Cautious on the Islamic State? A Recent War Game Explains Why.

    Why is Israel so Cautious on the Islamic State? A Recent War Game Explains Why.

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    Default Intelligence and Decision Making: the IDF Leaving Lebanon as a Case Study

    A new book, 'The True Story of How Israel Left Lebanon (May 2000) Code Name “Dawn” ', has been published in Hebrew, so the Meir Amit Centre has a useful summary. It ends with:
    Gilboa sums up the insights pertaining to intelligence, saying: “There is no doubt that the primary function of intelligence is to point out the risks. This is its duty, and it did so. The problem with the assessments by Military Intelligence was that they failed to point out the prospects".
    Link:http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20961
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    Default From Maneuver to Attrition: The Transformation of the Israel Defense Forces’ Approach

    From Maneuver to Attrition: The Transformation of the Israel Defense Forces’ Approach to Warfare

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    Amazing footage

    Watch an Israeli air-force pilot land an F-15 with only one wing — via @WeAreTheMighty
    http://read.bi/2b4lCaX

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    Default Fauda: The drama lifting the lid on Israeli snatch squads

    A BBC report:
    Fauda, the Israeli television thriller that portrays the murky world of Israeli undercover army units and Palestinian militants during the Second Intifada (Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation)...The Israeli border police have an undercover unit called Yamas which has been operating for 25 years but had never been filmed before we gained exclusive access to them.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42566284
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    Exclamation Did Israeli F-35s fly into Iranian airspace undetected?

    From The Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Rep...er-Iran-547421

    Two Israeli F-35 fighter jets entered Iranian airspace over the past month, Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida reported on Thursday. The act is a signal of heightened regional tensions, especially in light of recent Israeli military attacks in Syria, including against Iranian bases in the country.

    Sources quoted in Al-Jarida stated that two stealth fighters flew over Syrian and Iraqi airspace to reach Iran, and even targeted locations in the Iranian cities Bandar Abbas, Esfahan and Shiraz.

    The report states that the two fighter jets, among the most advanced in the world, circled at high altitude above Persian Gulf sites suspected of being associated with the Iranian nuclear program.

    It also states that the two jets went undetected by radar, including by the Russian radar system located in Syria. The source refused to confirm if the operation was undertaken in coordination with the US army, which has recently conducted joint exercises with the IDF...
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    Since Begin's lie about some Kuwaiti newspaper citing Saddam Hussein's statement about 'developing nukes to burn Israel', back in 1981, I'm extremely cautious about any Israeli reports citing some 'Kuwaiti newspapers'.
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    Might this help to explain the claims?

    Taken from an IISS Strategic Comment (mainly behind a paywall) and refers to the drone incident on 10 February 2018:
    The Israeli response was apparently spring-loaded. In a large-scale operation, the Israeli Air Force immediately struck the base – Tiyas, or T-4 – from which the drone had been launched and claimed to have destroyed Syria’s main command-and-control bunker at the same time. Simultaneously, it carried out a sweeping attack against Syria’s air defences, resulting in the destruction or incapacitation of half of Syria’s air-defence infrastructure, according to Israeli sources. Iranian installations were also targeted. Israel, for its part, lost an F-16 fighter jetflying at high altitude to a Syrian S-200 anti-aircraft missile over Israeli airspace. This was the first loss of an Israeli aircraft to enemy fire in 38 years, and can perhaps be ascribed to pilot error: the crew evidently failed to take evasive measures, perhaps owing to overconfidence.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tried to clarify the stakes by declaring that henceforth, Israel would not be content with responding to Iranian provocations by striking its facilities in Syria. He stated that next time, Israel would take the fight to Iran itself. Tehran denied that it had launched any drone, describing Israel’s account of the incident as ‘ridiculous’.
    Link:https://www.iiss.org/en/publications...-tensions-4410
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    Default Israel’s approach to counterterrorism

    Via the Australian think tank blog (ASPI) and a short article. Here is a key sentence:
    Israel has taken a more organic, holistic approach to CT that relies on innovation and creativity and is aimed at deterring and creating divisions within terror groups, and between the groups and their constituencies through coercion and/or persuasion.
    It ends with:
    What Israel has shown is that terrorism is not something that can be defeated, but it is something that one can learn to live with. If Israelis are to move towards a world in which they needn’t worry about terror attacks and the continued cycle of violence, a solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict must be found.
    Authors bio:https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/isaac-kfir
    Link:https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-israeli-approach-to-counterterrorism/

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    Default We spend days and nights in the field until we find the tunnel'

    An insight into the underground war between the IDF and the Gaza tunnel diggers. It starts with:
    Based in three trailers near the Gaza border, with advanced computers and technologies, is 'the lab': 10 soldiers—some of whom finished their physics degree in high school—who already found 15 terror tunnels, the latest neutralized this week; when the need arises, they go out to the field and under the ground; 'finding a tunnel is not a scavenger's hunt. It's a game of chest against Hamas,' says one.
    Link:https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...370114,00.html

    I thought there was a thread on the underground war, the search function does not help; perhaps earlier posts are here?
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