The Strange Death of Europe

[davidbfpo]

Bill,

I have listened to Douglas Murray a few times, he is a polemicist of a particular type, once labelled "neocon" and now more likely to be labelled a nationalist populist. A few years ago I read one of his books, it was well written and revealing - on a very different topic 'Bloody Sunday' in Northern Ireland.

His view of demographic change would be challenged by many others, notably Professor Eric Kaufmann, a Canadian of mixed heritage, whose book 'Whiteshift: Populism, Immigration and the future of White Majorities'. There are numerous reviews and this one is from London's main evening newspaper which ends with:

Whatever happens, anyone interested in preparing for the future would do well to read this book.

Link:https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...-a3971311.html

What Murray appears to overlook is that it is not just Muslims emigrating to Western Europe. In the UK we have a Polish population of between 500k to 1m (shrunk recently) and very few of them are Muslims. Another substantial new community are the Africans, in the UK mainly from West Africa, Southern Africa and East Africa, mainly Eritrea and Somalia. They now outnumber the Afro-Caribbean community; together they now make up the largest group of regularly worshiping Christians.

There also can be reverse emigration, in the UK there is one community that has dwindled since the 1990's: the Bosnian refugees. They have largely been absorbed (unlikely I think), emigrated further or simply gone home.

Plus many Muslims are far from devout, except on special days and during Ramadan. In a curious way this lack of religious faith is seen in many communities.

Today we are told that immigration is driven by asylum seekers and refugees, especially those crossing the Mediterranean. Or a few years back the large inflow of Syrians to Germany. The biggest drivers for immigration for many years post-1945 was the anticipated demand for cheap labour, the decision to enable families to be united and the demand for skilled, qualified professionals - in the UK most visibly seen with doctors and nurses.

Changes in demography do not IMHO end with Muslim majority in the UK. It is far more likely that the UK will have a substantial mixed heritage population and Kaufmann argues that will take many decades.

[Bill Moore]

David,

I appreciate the counter arguments, or more accurately arguments that provide balance. I still think that any nation that attempts to suppress the news, just as the U.S. media has done, by attempting to cover up the crimes committed by certain groups is little more than irresponsible deception that rightfully leads many to conspiracy theories. Get in the open and discuss it. Is it a trend? A one off? The same percentage of other groups commit the same number and type of crimes, etc.? Then expose reporting becomes less meaningful.

I also think national identity is important for the survival of a nation. Without it a nation doesn't have resiliency, and it easy for predators like Russia to weaken a nation and manipulate it to its will. Identifying as Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, etc. should be less important than identifying as British, French, American, etc. There are sound arguments on both sides, and they are both apt at pointing out the weakness of each other's arguments, but fall short of identifying the truth and solutions to problems.