Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
both

We don't know but there's a lot of guessing going on mostly based on fragmentary information, misinformation and disinformation.

Few.
No matter how I look at it, so far whats going on seems to be focused on first order effects and the possible or at least more likely second or third order effects don't seem to pass the "what in it for me" test

Unless they actually think the rest of the "world" is too busy to be able to effectively deal with it.