So Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola are rubbish? Are you saying that Goodfellas and The Godfather were crap because they came in at over 90 mins? Or, for that matter, am I to assume that Tolstoy's War and Peace should be edited down to 100 pages? You must have attention deficiet disorder (as opposed to my dyslexia)?Originally Posted by Fuchs
Which director happened to make that comment exactly?
I have a set and I am still listening to them. All I can say is get a set...listen to them ....and decide for yourself. I will post more on this as I finish listening to them. Wish I could have gone to the Boyd conference
How To Boyd Slap A Country
Maneuver Warfare theory states that one of it's goals is to generate confusion and disorder in the enemy system until it can no longer effectively respond. So how do you do that.
4 steps to do a Boyd Slap on a whole country
1-Demoralize
2-Destabilize
3-Crisis
4-Normalize
Link to video on how to brainwash a nation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZG...eature=related
What step is America in?
This is not a smart aleck answer...
We generate our own confusion and disorder on a daily basis, therefor we are constantly in all those states. That's a design feature, not a bug.
Of course, as it is a feature, the level of those states changes fairly frequently in an almost random pattern and it is my considered opinion that we concurrently and as is normal occupy all four states. However, by a slight margin our highest state at this time is just below 'Destabilize' to which we recently moved from full 'Demoralize.'
The question now is whether we will descend to 'Crisis' or raise to 'Normalize.' That will likely take about a year or two to be accurately determined.
My belief and bet would be we're headed yet again to 'Normalize.'
Gotta love Roller Coasters...
My belief and bet would be we're headed yet again to 'Normalize.'
Gotta love Roller Coasters...
I know what you said but did you mean that? The 4 steps are from a Soviet Subversion Agent, their Perspective and Definitions are very different than the American version and definitions. Point being from the Soviet perspective step 4 is.......Martial Law
Single source...
Step 4 Normalization explained in greater detail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAyLH...eature=related
I meant what I said in accordance with the normal US definition of the words.
I'm not a Soviet Subversion Agent, just a dumb American.I know what you said but did you mean that? The 4 steps are from a Soviet Subversion Agent, their Perspective and Definitions are very different than the American version and definitions. Point being from the Soviet perspective step 4 is.......Martial Law
We're not anywhere near Martial Law barring something totally unforeseen.
As an aside, I'll see your Video and raise you four books: “The Sword and the Shield,” by Vasili Mitrokhin, LINK; “KGB” by Christopher Andrew; "The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World" by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin; and “Perjury” by Allen Weinstein. The first in particualr tells how said Soviet subversion types neatly wormed into the US Education milieu over three generations to bring about their version of "normalize." That effort that may yet be successful.
Or it may lead to proving correct the definition of 'Grapeshot' by Ambrose Bierce (so you may not be off too far...).
Maybe KGB was trying to turn the U.S. red. That would of course mean that the KGB was 100% incompetent at doing it.
Today's United States is more politically more right-wing than Germany during the late 2nd empire.
A large minority of Americans decries a mandatory social insurance system as "socialism" which was basically invented by a German royalist-arch-conservative and built on by German post-WW2 Christian-conservatives. Both times it was meant to be (and effective as) an anti-socialist system.
The video makes much more sense when we consider that
* converts are usually extremely zealous - both in religion and politics
* he was pleasing the government and the whole right wing of the time with it
* about 5-10% of mankind is made up of idiots
Keep in mind that history has exactly zero examples which would fit his description of how many years this or that phase takes.
Besides; it's long-known and obvious that PsyOps and secret financing were popular intelligence service activities in the Cold War. This worked both ways, of course.
I'm not a Soviet Subversion Agent, just a dumb American.
We're not anywhere near Martial Law barring something totally unforeseen.
As an aside, I'll see your Video and raise you four books: “The Sword and the Shield,” by Vasili Mitrokhin, LINK; “KGB” by Christopher Andrew; "The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World" by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin; and “Perjury” by Allen Weinstein. The first in particualr tells how said Soviet subversion types neatly wormed into the US Education milieu over three generations to bring about their version of "normalize." That effort that may yet be successful.
Or it may lead to proving correct the definition of 'Grapeshot' by Ambrose Bierce (so you may not be off too far...).
I read "The Sword and the Shield" I'll check into the others.
In the mean time I'll raise you 8 videos called "More Deadly Than War" link is below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdt46Uk61UY
That's true. The hard part for people to understand is that Communism and Capitalism are the SAME. BOTH end up with power concentrated in the hands of a NON-Elected Elite Few. One uses a Central Committee the other uses a Central Bank. But in the end they both do the same exact thing.
I think
your percentage is way low...
True, it'll take another 100 years or so to sort out who really did what to who.Besides; it's long-known and obvious that PsyOps and secret financing were popular intelligence service activities in the Cold War. This worked both ways, of course.
Gercious, Slap.
That's some tuff stuff.
I may make 80 or even 90 but probably not. So I'll likely miss it. Drop me a line downstairs and lemme know how it comes out.
Slap,
Nice pull, I've listened to the first one. I hope people can watch this and see how we are employing fear-mongers today on the evils of Islamic ideology just as we did back when Mr. G Edward Griffen put together this persuasive little bit of propaganda. I suspect he was working for the Republican party in the efforts to get Johnson out of office for promoting civil rights and elevate Nixon to the presidency. (Break, just googled him, and he served as the writer for Wallace's vice presidential candidate, Curtis LeMay. Totallly explains the racist bias and nuke the commies message. My apologies to President Nixon).
Communism is not so much an ideology of revolution, but rather an ideology employed by revolutionaries. They did so because it worked in those populaces. They tried to employ it in Saudi Arabia as well, and it fell flat among those people. Similarly today Islamist ideologies are what works with oppressed people in Muslim nations.
Einstein would label this guy "an intelligent fool," I would be less gracious.
It is time to stop fearing ideologies, and to instead focus on the real issues that drive these revolutions, and work to ensure we are mitigating rather than enabling the tragedy through our policies and engagement.
We got on this boat in about 1950 when we modified containment from one of realist blocking of Soviet expansion into western Europe to one of moralist containing of communist ideology within the Sino-Soviet bloc. Ideas cannot be contained, and the real idea in play was indeed that of "liberty," communism was merely the lubricant to get it moving. Today this is still true, more than ever ideas cannot be contained, and the idea is still "liberty."
“In times of tyranny and injustice when law oppresses the people, the outlaw takes his place in history.”Robin Hood (2010)
Robert C. Jones
Intellectus Supra Scientia
(Understanding is more important than Knowledge)
"The modern COIN mindset is when one arrogantly goes to some foreign land and attempts to make those who live there a lesser version of one's self. The FID mindset is when one humbly goes to some foreign land and seeks first to understand, and then to help in some small way for those who live there to be the best version of their own self." Colonel Robert C. Jones, US Army Special Forces (Retired)
Yes, you have to understand your enemy. But we don't understand our enemy. Did you catch the part about how there are no Communist countries!!!!because the final goal of Communism was to CREATE a stateless society!!!! 9.9 people who are anti-communist don't even know that. But we are doing exactly that because we believe in this bogus idea that Government is bad and the free market is everything. Most people have never studied Marx or Lenin so most people don't understand that Capitalism=Communism!!! which is why we are generally in the mess we are in. We have been Boyd Slapped by a huge Propaganda machine.
The Eastern German communist party called their system "real existierender Sozialismus" (really existing socialism) and didn't even pretend that there was communism anywhere.
IIRC they blamed the permanent confrontation with the West for the inability to do that big step forward.
It was more complicated than that. During the first Eisenhower administration there was talk of rolling back Communism, but that ended when Soviet tanks entered Budapest in 1954. It's one thing to encourage dissent with propaganda and empty promises but quite another thing to start World War III.
Bob's World, you really,really need to watch the whole thing. A lot of what you talk about he talks about. The most important part is that the "New Kind of Warfare" was always composed of 2 sections... Violent and Non-Violent. Also everything he talks about actually happened and in that sense it is propaganda but it is also true. Check the sources and references he talks about they are still there.
What we are calling Terrorist movements(or what ever we are calling it now) are know different than the Communist movement. The methods are exactly the same both Violent and Non Violent and both were and are financed by Rich Special Interest groups. The Rebranding of Communism is what we are now calling Globalization....no borders, no countries, no rules, no governments, it is the same thing.
The understanding was good, it was the manipulation I found troublesome
Slap, agree, in many ways his understanding was spot on, particularly in regards to not becoming overly focused on violence as the one measure of insurgency, that often, in fact, insurgency is very subtle and or non-violent in its execution.
It was his "blame shifting" PSYOP campaign that I found hard to swallow; and that is the same thing we do today. Back then we blamed our problems on communism and its proponents just as today we blame them on Islamism and its proponents. You can get a lot of Americans to buy into the line, even today, but particularly in '69/70 when this was apparently made, that the war in Vietnam was about expanding communism rather than liberating and unifying Vietnam from western colonialism. But it is a harder sell to then make the case that the rebellion that we call the American Civil Rights Movement was also about expanding communism and that the claims of discrimination were just overplayed propaganda by communist instigators to fire up the otherwise happy, satisfied African American populace. Pure and evil bull####.
A very similar dynamic is going on today, and yes, if we suppress violent approaches well, then it will likely seek non-violent approaches and likely prevail. Or if we take out AQ, another organization will emerge with a different ideology (still based in Islam, as that is the target populace) and new tactics, and may well prevail as well. It is not the leader, the organization, or the ideology that causes these conflicts. If the conditions of insurgency are not ripe within the target populace such efforts will fall flat. So the key metric that one has conditions of insurgency to deal with is when such efforts take root, in whatever from.
I wouldn't go so far as to call this guy the anti-Christ, but he is smart, knowledgeable, and convincingly effective in his delivery. But he is so dangerously wrong in how he then spins those talents to his purposes. He tells you what you want to hear, then he leads you where he wants you to go. I just advise caution, that's all. But he does make some great points, but you need to be well versed to sort them out. An audience that is not versed in the topic in advance would quickly be led down the primrose path he sets out for them. He absolves them of their sins, and then offers them salvation. Effective.
Robert C. Jones
Intellectus Supra Scientia
(Understanding is more important than Knowledge)
"The modern COIN mindset is when one arrogantly goes to some foreign land and attempts to make those who live there a lesser version of one's self. The FID mindset is when one humbly goes to some foreign land and seeks first to understand, and then to help in some small way for those who live there to be the best version of their own self." Colonel Robert C. Jones, US Army Special Forces (Retired)
Pete, clearly 65 years of containment is not simple
By chance, a couple weeks ago I picked up a copy of "American Foreign Policy Since World War II" by John Spannier and Steven W. Hook. I was expecting a dry painful tome, but in fact, it was an easy and fascinating read. I highly recommend it, as it gives you the greater context and thinking that these events fell into, and how they shaped the ever-changing variations of "Containment."
1954 was indeed a big year. That is also the year that we resolved the Koreas in their current form and decided to partition Vietnam into a North and South along an armistice line, to pull forces to either side of the line and to conduct a nation-wide election in 1956 to decide who would govern the whole. (an election we later canceled after a massive campaign led by Lansdale to convince hundreds of thousands of Catholics to move south of the line, etc) But it was the kick in the nads delivered by the fall of our great ally and friend, Nationalist China in 1949; followed by the pure shock that Maoist China did not share our view of ourselves in regards to China, and in fact saw us as evil, that really set us on our heels. That is what drove the change of Containment from realist focus on soviet expansion to an idealist focus on containing the idea instead.
Robert C. Jones
Intellectus Supra Scientia
(Understanding is more important than Knowledge)
"The modern COIN mindset is when one arrogantly goes to some foreign land and attempts to make those who live there a lesser version of one's self. The FID mindset is when one humbly goes to some foreign land and seeks first to understand, and then to help in some small way for those who live there to be the best version of their own self." Colonel Robert C. Jones, US Army Special Forces (Retired)
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