Militias Seizing Control of Iraqi Electricity Grid

[tequila]

Militias Seizing Control of Iraqi Electricity Grid - NYTIMES, 23 Aug.

Armed groups increasingly control the antiquated switching stations that channel electricity around Iraq, the electricity minister said Wednesday.

That is dividing the national grid into fiefs that, he said, often refuse to share electricity generated locally with Baghdad and other power-starved areas in the center of Iraq.

The development adds to existing electricity problems in Baghdad, which has been struggling to provide power for more than a few hours a day because insurgents regularly blow up the towers that carry power lines into the city.

The government lost the ability to control the grid centrally after the American-led invasion in 2003, when looters destroyed electrical dispatch centers, the minister, Karim Wahid, said in a news briefing attended also by United States military officials.

The briefing had been intended, in part, to highlight successes in the American-financed reconstruction program here.

But it took an unexpected turn when Mr. Wahid, a highly respected technocrat and longtime ministry official, began taking questions from Arab and Western journalists.

Because of the lack of functioning dispatch centers, Mr. Wahid said, ministry officials have been trying to control the flow of electricity from huge power plants in the south, north and west by calling local officials there and ordering them to physically flip switches.

But the officials refuse to follow those orders when the armed groups threaten their lives, he said, and the often isolated stations are abandoned at night and easily manipulated by whatever group controls the area.

This kind of manipulation can cause the entire system to collapse and bring nationwide blackouts, sometimes seriously damaging the generating plants that the United States has paid millions of dollars to repair.

Such a collapse took place just last week, the State Department reported in a recent assessment, which said the provinces’ failure to share electricity resulted in a “massive loss of power” on Aug. 14 at 5 p.m. ...

[Anthony Hoh]

Turn off the generators, put every American FOB, JCOP, embassy, etc on the local grid. We could solve this in a month

[Stan]

Turn off the generators, put every American FOB, JCOP, embassy, etc on the local grid. We could solve this in a month

Tony, although I kind of agree, would that not cut off the locals from generated electricity ? If it did, we would have far more problems than insurgents, we would have some real helpless people and a potential refugee crisis.

We would also gain far more enemies than we already have.

Having worked high tension and Engineering, I'm interested in just what cutting off the grid entails.

Regards, Stan

[Anthony Hoh]

Stan,
I meant that we should take "our" infrastructure and place it onto the local power grid. To my knowledge we do not produce electricity for the general populace, "our" power mainly derives from portable powers sources. Generally huge GE travel trailers and contractors that we pay like rock stars to operate them provide electricity to our bases. While most Iraqis live with less that 6-8 hours of power a day, we run 24/7. Obviously, I am not suggesting we assume operational risk by shutting down our TOC’s and turning off our radios immediately. However leaving local governance to solve the problem has resulted in the article tequila has posted. If we make an earnest move to operate off of the local power grid, it would spur us to tackle the associated security issues along with the host nation forces. Leaving this to be solved by the current Iraqi government alone is the right answer. However its not getting better its getting worse. IMO American ingenuity will take over and find a way to get it straight, and by the way it would go a long way to help the target audience the Iraqi people.

Tony

[Stan]

Tony,

Stan,
I meant that we should take "our" infrastructure and place it onto the local power grid. To my knowledge we do not produce electricity for the general populace, "our" power mainly derives from portable powers sources. Generally huge GE travel trailers and contractors that we pay like rock stars to operate them provide electricity to our bases.

I don’t like that idea, but I’ll continue my rant first !

Actually, the ‘huge generators’ and local power stations are merely a stable power source, but the National Grid is the back-up for any/all instances such as surges, outages, etc.

Let’s not confuse the ‘National Grid’ for a Local Power Station, Sub Station or Distribution Grid.

Although we can attribute some of the power problems to insurgent sabotage, there’s more to it than that. High electrical demands, fuel shortages and worse yet, local power stations attached to the National Grid ‘pulling the plug’. The local stations are trying to keep their respective towns with power, but the National Grid is demanding (if you will) more. The System was designed to work together, not dump half and hope for the best.

While most Iraqis live with less that 6-8 hours of power a day, we run 24/7.

I’ve lived in Sub-Sahara for over 10 years with less than 6 to 8 hours of power a day. It’s no big deal. Those people have been doing this since before you were born, and they’ll continue to. Their National Grid was on the brink of collapse without insurgency. This is not rumor, rather fact.

Obviously, I am not suggesting we assume operational risk by shutting down our TOC’s and turning off our radios immediately. However leaving local governance to solve the problem has resulted in the article tequila has posted. If we make an earnest move to operate off of the local power grid, it would spur us to tackle the associated security issues along with the host nation forces.

I’ve read far too many posts herein discussing the already stretched Army. Are we suggesting the Corps of Engineers come in and run the National Grid and run around restoring power from the local power stations, so the grid will remain stable ?

Leaving this to be solved by the current Iraqi government alone is the right answer.

Tony, it may be, but it isn’t happening. Hence my concern over mega death and a full blown refugee crisis in the making.

However its not getting better its getting worse. IMO American ingenuity will take over and find a way to get it straight, and by the way it would go a long way to help the target audience the Iraqi people.

Tony

Correct, 1,000 Percent. There’s no ingenuity...it’s basic electrical theory, low voltage and high tension, been around since Christ was a Corporal.

Regards, Stan

[Anthony Hoh]

Tony,

Let’s not confuse the ‘National Grid’ for a Local Power Station, Sub Station or Distribution Grid.

Ok Stan,
Obviously you have an extensive knowledge of electricity, an forgive my lack of expertise, but would not the national grid be comprised of these local power stations and sub stations that you referred to?

For your reference:
http://www.energymanagertraining.com...ower_Grids.htm

Whether it is a transmission substation, power plant, or high voltage transmission line they are interconnected. If they are not interconnected than I believe that it reinforces my point that we should get involved.

Although we can attribute some of the power problems to insurgent sabotage, there’s more to it than that. High electrical demands, fuel shortages and worse yet, local power stations attached to the National Grid ‘pulling the plug’. The local stations are trying to keep their respective towns with power, but the National Grid is demanding (if you will) more. The System was designed to work together, not dump half and hope for the best.

Ok how does that argue against us not getting involved?

Those people have been doing this since before you were born, and they’ll continue to. Their National Grid was on the brink of collapse without insurgency. This is not rumor, rather fact.

I feel this deals with perception, if I had more electricty under a previous regieme and less now. What is wrong now.

I’ve read far too many posts herein discussing the already stretched Army. Are we suggesting the Corps of Engineers come in and run the National Grid and run around restoring power from the local power stations, so the grid will remain stable ?

Yes absolutly, let them watch T.V. sit in air conditionaing and "chill" (pardon the pun) out.

Tony, it may be, but it isn’t happening. Hence my concern over mega death and a full blown refugee crisis in the making.

I think we could agree the refugee crisis is made, especially if we asked Iran, Jordan, or Syria. Perhaps restoring basic services could be a way to entice people back home.

Correct, 1,000 Percent. There’s no ingenuity...it’s basic electrical theory, low voltage and high tension, been around since Christ was a Corporal.

Never knew Jesus Christ to be a Corporal.

Best to you as well,
Tony

[Patriot]

The NYT article on the "national" grid in Iraq really misses the mark. The electric grid was broken before the 2003 invasion. Broken by Saddam's neglect. Twelve years of UN supported sanctions (1991-2003) and four years of insurgent warfare have eliminated a national grid. Iraqis are use to the depravity of nearly 20 years of doing without. So the electricity problem has effectively been tansferred to the individual Iraqi. Their solution is generators to provide limited power. But that only moved the problem to another power requirements. Whether it's the national power plants or small generators, both require fuel. Generators require gasoline and that has greatly expanded the demand for gas. This of course creates an excess demand for gas because demand exceeds supply. Black market gas has become the norm in Baghdad.

The power system for a modernized country links all essential national and regional essential services to one another. It's one of the system of systems in a modernized country that interconnections with all the other systems including water, sewage, hospitals, emergency services, schools, etc. The magnitude of a failed electrical grid is far reaching and magnifies the suffering of Iraqi citizens and reinforces insurgent propaganda of a weak or failed national government.

[Stan]

Well said Patriot !

The electricity problems are but the first of some greater and more serious soon to follow.

Once the water and sewage services completely stop, the hospitals will have a good idea of what a cholera epidemic looks and smells like.