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    Having done personal security detail for a judge in a relatively non-hostile environment I can't even imagine the task in a war zone. How many layers, how deep, counter-sniper or not, multiple mis-directions or not, force to destination or covert... gosh it must be a literal head trip trying to provide any true level of security on a single point target like a BC.
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    To clear things up, the soldier I talked to was disgruntled that the BC got special protection. The sense I got from the conversation was the soldier felt the BC was not sharing hardship and danger with his soldiers.

    The point of my post wasn't to ask for TTPs, but to solicit opinions on the necessity versus adverse effects to morale this special protection causes. Is this a "moral failure" on the part of the BC or a necessary precaution miscontrued by a junior soldier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdaptAndOvercome View Post
    To clear things up, the soldier I talked to was disgruntled that the BC got special protection. The sense I got from the conversation was the soldier felt the BC was not sharing hardship and danger with his soldiers.

    The point of my post wasn't to ask for TTPs, but to solicit opinions on the necessity versus adverse effects to morale this special protection causes. Is this a "moral failure" on the part of the BC or a necessary precaution miscontrued by a junior soldier?
    The latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdaptAndOvercome View Post
    To clear things up, the soldier I talked to was disgruntled that the BC got special protection. The sense I got from the conversation was the soldier felt the BC was not sharing hardship and danger with his soldiers.

    The point of my post wasn't to ask for TTPs, but to solicit opinions on the necessity versus adverse effects to morale this special protection causes. Is this a "moral failure" on the part of the BC or a necessary precaution miscontrued by a junior soldier?
    Sounds to me like a misguided and naive soldier concentrating on something he has no business questioning. Better to work on his MOS-related skills.

    Regarding TTPs et al, the SWJ's ROE are listed here.

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    The security around a battalion CO is necessary on multiple levels. The security detail often functions as a squad does around its leader. The men understand or should understand that their security is interdependent despite individuals roles beyond personal and unit security. Certain operations and enviroments will predicate layers of security precautions, and even with that the enviroment is unforgiving. No Marine goes on patrol alone.
    Last edited by MASON; 09-09-2007 at 11:58 AM. Reason: typo

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    Adapt and Overcome:


    To clear things up, the soldier I talked to was disgruntled that the BC got special protection. The sense I got from the conversation was the soldier felt the BC was not sharing hardship and danger with his soldiers.
    Sir, I have something I need to share with you. As a very, very, junior soldier assigned to Btn HQ, I was overheard by the Btn Sargent Major grumbling to myself about having to get the CO a cup of coffee, clean his sidearm for him, etc.

    The "little talk" I immediately had with said SM left me considerably wiser and my ego and posterior extremely bruised.

    Of course the CO needs a protective detail. He is too busy thinking about YOUR protection to worry about his own.

    And furthermore, a dead CO is worth considerably more to the insurgents than anyone else's sorry backside.
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    I am suprised some people don't know about a Col PSD (Personnel Security Detactment). However, the PSD is ussually a plt. In fact my BN CDR's PSD has an office just beside mine. It's a mix of MOSs and it has a PSG but no PL.

    As for it's use, it is critically importantant that your main link between Brigade and Batalion stay alive when he leaves the wire to go to meetings and soforth.

    Plus, its not like it is extra security. NO soldier, marine, or trooper leaves the wire alone. You always role out in a convoy of guntrucks and joe's. SO, no matter who you are your always with your own PSD. Furthermore, when there on the FOB or not on mission its notlike there huvering over the BC.
    In fact our PSD will go out on missions when not actively employed by the BC.

    SO, I don't get his complant.

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    I happen to know a BC who was so aggressive and self-less (and beloved by his men), that that his HHC provided PSD protection despite his objections.

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