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    Marine took files as part of spy ring


    Marine Gunnery Sgt. Gary Maziarz said patriotism motivated him to join a spy ring, smuggle secret files from Camp Pendleton and give them to law enforcement officers for anti-terrorism work in Southern California.

    The case is an intelligence nightmare, said defense analysts briefed on it.

    They also said it unmasks the military's growing role in post-Sept. 11 domestic security and confirms that U.S. officials believe al-Qaeda is active in the United States.

    “It gives operational security people brain cooties to think about an incident like this,” said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a think tank that focuses on emerging security concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgmgrumpy View Post
    "Brain cooties"? Technical terms like that really confuse me. What's next--a strategic wet willie?

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    They also said it unmasks the military's growing role in post-Sept. 11 domestic security and confirms that U.S. officials believe al-Qaeda is active in the United States.
    I don't agree with what the Gunny did, nor the folks that received this classified information, but the article would have us believe the Marine gave it to Buck Fin Laden via US LEOs.

    Talk about opening a can of worms. While they should be punished, are we really holding information back from Law Enforcement ?

    Do we as a nation expect those to cover our six with no information while our military are abroad fighting ?

    The whole story stinks

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    There is a case in London, where a career Special Branch / Counter Terrorist detective retired and returned as a civilian employee in the same area. He was identified as having "leaked" a sensitive document to the press, for reasons as yet unknown and rumour suggests he'd "leaked" before.

    Yes, different to the California case referred to, but it happens.

    The balance between the 'need to know' and the 'need to share' remains. A point well made in the Colin Cramphorn lecture, in early 2007, by Peter Clarke, the UK police national co-ordinator for terrorism investigations. How is secret information on a live threat communicated downwards to the officer on the street?

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    Here is the link to the lecture:

    http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/ima...images/252.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    Talk about opening a can of worms. While they should be punished, are we really holding information back from Law Enforcement ?
    Sad to say they are This even happens within the LE community. It turns into a jurisdiction nightmare.

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    The issue is, as has been proved a thousand times in a thousand different jurisdictions, is that these "leakages" of information are invariably eventually abused by those in power.

    And for those who think I am a bleeding heart Liberal, I must add that it doesn't matter which party is in power. The basic issue is that Administrations will use threats regarding "security" to justify any and all intrusions, and this issue is at least 400 years old, it was recognised in the British Common Law as well as the American Constitution.

    To put it another way, are you happy to perhaps see Hilary Clinton trolling through your email and sharing details with LEO's?

    Sad to see it being revisited, but there you go.....

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    Default Changes in Espionage by Americans 1947-2007

    Northrop Grumman Technical Services, 13 Mar 08: Changes in Espionage by Americans: 1947-2007
    This report documents changes and trends in American espionage since 1990. Its subjects are American citizens. Unlike two earlier reports in this series, individuals are compared across three groups based on when they began espionage activities. The three groups are defined as between 1947 and 1979, 1980 and 1989, and 1990 and 2007. The subset of cases that began since 2000 is given additional study. Findings include: since 1990 offenders are more likely to be naturalized citizens, and to have foreign attachments, connections, and ties.

    Their espionage is more likely to be motivated by divided loyalties. Twice as many American espionage offenders since 1990 have been civilians than members of the military, fewer held Top Secret while more held Secret clearances, and 37% had no security clearance giving them access to classified information. Two thirds of American spies since 1990 have volunteered. Since 1990, spying has not paid well: 80% of spies received no payment for espionage, and since 2000 it appears no one was paid. Six of the 11 most recent cases have involved terrorists, either as recipients of information, by persons working with accused terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or in protest against treatment of detainees there. Many recent spies relied on computers, electronic information retrieval and storage, and the Internet. The current espionage statutes have to stretch to cover recent cases that reflect the context of global terrorism.....
    Complete 113 page report at the link.

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    A new style of turncoat: These days, spying for America's enemies is less about money and more about ideology, By James Bamford. Los Angeles Times, April 27, 2008.
    Today's spy, according to the Pentagon study, is far more likely to use the Internet to contact foreign governments or terrorists and volunteer his services, as if signing up for Facebook. "Since 1990, the use of embassies has decreased," the study says, "while more individuals have chosen a new communications innovation: 13% of volunteers since 1990 turned to the Internet, including seven of the 11 most recent cases since 2000 that used the Internet to initiate offers of espionage."

    Obviously, post-Cold War spies are finding new governments -- and groups -- to spy for. FBI agent Robert Philip Hanssen, who passed secrets to Russia for more than two decades, until he was caught in 2001, may be the last of a dying breed. The country of choice for 87% of American spies during the Cold War was the Soviet Union, but by the 1990s that figure had dropped to just 15%.

    The focus of spies has now mostly shifted east. The percentage who work on behalf of Asian and Southeast Asian countries has risen from 5% in the 1950s and 1960s to 12% in the 1970s and 1980s, and to 26% since 1990. Cuba, with so many exiles in Florida, has also become a key recipient of American secrets. Al Qaeda has made significant inroads as well -- with one American having stolen and passed classified documents and other materials to aides of Osama bin Laden, and four others known to have tried to spy for the organization or other terrorist groups since the mid-1980s.

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    Default Outsourcing Intelligence Collection

    Why take the risk, when it's so much more lucrative here: http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic Bout View Post
    Why take the risk, when it's so much more lucrative here: http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/
    Did you read her novel Vic?

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    Default Naw, there

    was something off-putting about the whole black leather jacket, Berlin wall symbology of her blog photo. I prefer my spies ala Ian Fleming....high heels, poisoned lip stick...
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    Default spy ring?

    This whole thing stinks....sounds like the Gunny and his cronies who include a few colonels really thought they were doing something very patriotic but I would like to know what this Gunny was doing for the Marines of I MEF downrange in Iraq he should have been doing intelligence work for. I'm glad this ring of clowns was caught but I wonder how many people in the U.S. are passing controlled material to people other than LEO's.

    Calling this case a spy ring is a bit extreme. I don't know if spying involves passing information to the same government.... this is more of a security violation than anything else.

    Maybe the Posse Comitatus act wasn’t such a bad idea after all.

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    Default Funny thing....

    ... for anyone who might think the Gunny as a "uber-patriot", his downfall was the discovery of a cache of war loot he had stolen.
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    Default Official resigns over alleged spy ring

    Important note : CIA has hissy fits over independents.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A man accused of running an illegal contractor spy ring in Afghanistan has resigned from the Air Force, still maintaining his innocence, and still facing possible criminal charges.
    Two investigations continue in a case that has tested the definition of what contractors are allowed to do in war zones.
    Air Force civilian employee Michael Furlong, together with his boss, Mark Johnson, resigned in July after the Air Force inspector general told the men they'd face official censure for how they ran an information gathering network in Afghanistan.
    Tampa-based International Media Ventures (IMV) shut its doors, turned radioactive by association with the investigations, even as high-ranking Pentagon officials praised IMV's work gathering social and civil data to map Afghan society — work that is now being carried out by another contractor.
    Another one of the firms involved, Strategic Influence Alternatives, went back to the business of protecting corporate executives overseas.
    Clarridge is now shopping his human-intelligence networking skills to other foreign intelligence agencies, and to U.S. agencies like the FBI, the defense officials say. Clarridge would not comment for this story.
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...f43ae05ecf9b3b
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    Default Va. man allegedly worked for Syrian intelligence

    McLEAN, Va. (AP) — A Syrian-born, naturalized U.S. citizen has been indicted on charges of spying on U.S. activists opposed to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and providing intelligence to that country's intelligence agents.
    According to an indictment unsealed Wednesday, Mohamad Soueid (SWAYD) of Leesburg, Va., was arrested Tuesday and charged with conspiring to act in the U.S. as an agent of a foreign government. Soueid was scheduled to make an initial appearance in U.S. District Court in Alexandria on Wednesday afternoon.
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    Default VA man charged for working for Syrian intelligence

    A naturalized US citizen was arrested in Northern Virginia yesterday, and later charged in Federal court on accusations that he gathered information on anti-Al Assad regime activists within the United States. Additionally, the criminal compliant against him also cites an allegation that he even made a trip to Syria recently and met with President Al-Assad himself.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z4

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    Strange accusations. I didn't know that such things could be crimes in a "free" country.

    The article doesn't even mention any money transfer. In fact, even if he DID get money for it I'd be at a loss to name any German law that he'd have violated if it happened in Germany.

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    Default Indictment, Press Release and ... Really ?

    Here is the US v Soueid indictment; and the DoJ Press Release explaining it (snip of what crimes are charged):

    Soueid, aka “Alex Soueid” or “Anas Alswaid,” a Syrian-born naturalized U.S. citizen, was charged by a federal grand jury on Oct. 5, 2011, in a six-count indictment in the Eastern District of Virginia. Soueid is charged with conspiring to act and acting as an agent of the Syrian government in the United States without notifying the Attorney General as required by law; two counts of providing false statements on a firearms purchase form; and two counts of providing false statements to federal law enforcement.
    As this is an indictment released by DoJ in the wake of "Fast and Furious", I do take to heart the obligatory disclaimer at the Press Release's end:

    The public is reminded that an indictment contains mere allegations and that a defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.
    The crimes charged are not based on "new laws" - nor, on any novel interpretations of old laws (from the indictment):

    Count 1 - 18 U.S.C. § 371: Conspiracy to Act in the United States as an Agent of a Foreign Government

    Count 2 - 18 U.S.C. § 951: Acting in the United States as an Agent of a Foreign Government

    Count 3 - 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(a)(6): Material False Statement on a Firearms Purchase Application

    Count 4 - 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A): False Statement on a Firearms Purchase Application

    Counts 5 and 6 -18 U.S.C. § 1001: False Statements
    Whether the evidence will back up the indictment's factual allegations remains to be seen.

    This seems a probably questionable statement:

    from Fuchs
    Strange accusations. ....I'd be at a loss to name any German law that he'd have violated if it happened in Germany.
    but it's not worth for me an email to Germany to find out.

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    Count 1 - 18 U.S.C. § 371: Conspiracy to Act in the United States as an Agent of a Foreign Government

    Count 2 - 18 U.S.C. § 951: Acting in the United States as an Agent of a Foreign Government
    Since when has our government started taking these crimes seriously?

    Cough, cough – Jane Harman, AIPAC, Steve Rosen, Keith Weissman, Michael Ledeen, Doug Feith, & many more – cough
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