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    From BBC: AIG employee quits at 'betrayal'

    A top executive at troubled insurer AIG has resigned, citing "betrayal" by AIG and "unfair persecution" by elected US officials.
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    Default Economist Wants Population Centric Strategy

    My main Man James K. Galbraith wants us to adopt a Bob's World Population Centric Economic Strategy. Link to article in UK Guardian below.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...lobalrecession

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    Econo-Jihad, by Bruce Hoffman and Gabriel Weimann. The National Interest Online, May 13, 2009.
    In sum, repeated jihadi websites postings now reflect growing interest in health of both the American and global economies. The struggle is also increasingly seen as an economic war. And many jihadis have come to the conclusion that financial, rather than military, losses will defeat America. The websites, accordingly, emphasize the importance of targeting U.S. economic interests and directing their military jihad at targets which affect the U.S. economy. The concept of jihad, dating back to the earliest stages of Islam, has always been open to various interpretations: military, spiritual, political, religious and more. As such, “Econo -Jihad” aims to undermine the Western, and especially America’s, economy with the goal of engineering total economic collapse.

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    Default Yep. We have met the enemy and he is us.

    Napoleon said it, "Corruption has limits. Stupidity has none."

    We are doing the best job we can to overreach and destroy our nation in the process. Because we have this idea in our heads that we are the richest and most powerful nation on earth we cannot allow ourselves to think in terms of limits. Bluntly put, we have acted (and continue to act) like a spoiled, rich, pouting child spending ourselves into the poorhouse to avenge an act (9-11) that killed 1/10th the number of people killed by influenza each year. (More able bodied adults in their prime are killed by the flu each year by a factor of a bout 2-3.)

    Hubris now defines us, on the right and the left, republican and democrat. Hubris has become the core of our national soul and we cannot allow ourselves to realize the obvious.

    The wake up call is just beginning. My honest opinion is that by the end of 20 years, the world will have a new order and the USA is going to be second tier at best. We could change that, but neither party has a single politician with the balls and vision to do it.

    Consequently, Al Qaeda doesn't need to do a darn thing. All they need to do is sit and wait while we exhaust ourselves over virtually nothing, and we protect them by making sure that the local parties with interests don't take care of the problem. Then Al Qaeda can declare their "victory".

    Unfortunately, the "victory" of Al Qaeda will include getting control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. That arsenal is what they were after from the beginning when they pulled the 9-11 stunt. They wanted us to react so that the presence of infidel boots on the ground would recruit for them. They miscalculated, yes, but we miscalculated even more by ignoring the cost.

    When (not if) Al Qaeda gets their nukes, that may mean an American city going up although not necessarily. (I would expect that the Baghdad area round the green zone will go up in a mushroom cloud though.)

    The smart thing for us to do, right now, and going forward, is to tell India "Go ahead. Knock yourself out." and let them take care of Pakistan and Al Qaeda. They have the local knowledge, and they have the motive, interest and wealth to do it.

    But, quite simply put, we are stupid. And stupidity has no limits. I think our grandchildren will curse our names.

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    Default India/Pakistan

    It was strange to review this link and notice the focus on Oil Prices as an economic weapon.

    Years ago, Thomas Malthus explained that the food production capacity of the world's would soon be exceeded, so population clashes were inevitable. Now, due to changes in technology, we have plenty of food and plenty of people, but, as in Malthus' time, a rocky reliance on market systems for distribution. This often produces imbalances, cyclical booms and busts, and, indirectly, large scale population resettlements (voting by feet).

    Of course, Malthus, like a proper Victorian, was overly-focused on England's Great Empire, and the teaming masses of places like India.

    What we learned about oil allocations is not that what goes up must come down, or that the much-dreaded peak was exceeded, but that markets, people and technologies adjust (sometimes imperfectly).

    Now, we face a possible threat of Pakistan's fall (with consequent risks to the control of nuclear resources). But we have to remember the Malthusian outcomes. India's large population generally feeds itself, has a huge Army, and deep understanding of nuclear weapons and threats (including disproportionate attention to the Paki threat).

    I understand why an American might see Pakistan solely through their own eyes, but, as with food, oil and other crises, we need to remember that "we are not alone."

    If I was Indian, I don't think I would be waiting for Dick Cheney to return to power before I took steps to secure the threats on my own doorstep.

    It is a big, and growing, world---for what it is worth.

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    WINDFALL FOR ITALY?: Customs Finds $134 Billion in a Suitcase. Spiegal Online, June 12, 2009.
    It is either the biggest smuggling operation in history -- or a fraud of equally impressive proportions. Italian customs officials stopped two men at the Swiss border carrying bonds worth $134 billion (95.8 billion euros).

    Italian customs officers on the Swiss border often stop smugglers -- but not of this scale. Two Japanese citizens have been detained by Italian police in Chiasso on the Swiss-Italian border after being found with $134 billion of US bonds hidden in the base of their suitcase, according to a press statement by the Italian Guardia di Finanza.

    The two men, reported to be more than 50 years old, were traveling by train from Italy to Switzerland on June 3. Financial police at a control on the border found the documents tucked inside a closed section at the bottom of their suitcase, separate from their personal items. According to their statement, the men's luggage included 249 government bonds worth $500 million and 10 so-called Kennedy bonds, each worth a billion dollars.
    Italian Police Ask SEC to Authenticate Seized U.S. Treasuries, by Sonia Sirletti and John Glover. Bloomberg, June 12, 2009.


    It is nice to see that traditional artisans are back creating counterfeit securities the old fashioned way; I had thought they were driven out of the counterfeit business by the hedge fund boys.

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    The bonds are almost certainly - like 99.99% - fake. There are a number of these schemes out there, it's the financial industry's equiviliant to the Nigerian e-mail scam.
    "Speak English! said the Eaglet. "I don't know the meaning of half those long words, and what's more, I don't believe you do either!"

    The Eaglet from Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland

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    Default Full Spectrum Dominance

    F. William Engdahl discusses the world future, some scary stuff here


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frw87_Fbc8g

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    If you think war is only concerned with armed conflict watch this video. This guy is right Goldman Sachs is far worse then UBL.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSwWy...layer_embedded

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    The demise of the dollar, by Robert Fisk. The Independent, 6 October 2009.

    In a graphic illustration of the new world order, Arab states have launched secret moves with China, Russia and France to stop using the US currency for oil trading

    In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France – to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

    Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

    The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices, but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets within nine years.

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    Debunking the Dumping-the-Dollar Conspiracy

    For at least the last decade, a persistent, recurring conspiracy theory has held that major oil exporters will stop pricing oil in dollars, which will then lead to a collapse in the U.S. economy as the dollar becomes worthless. According to some accounts, Iraq's decision to price its oil in euros rather than dollars precipitated the U.S. overthrow of Saddam Hussein, and Iran's threats to move away from the dollar is the real reason the U.S. government is raising the alarm over the country's nuclear program.

    The latest item in this tradition was an article by Robert Fisk, a longtime Middle East correspondent, in the London-based Independent. The article warns of a grand conspiracy between the Arab oil states, China, Japan, Russia, and France to stop pricing oil in dollars by 2018. When this happens, Fisk says, the dollar will suffer a severe blow to its international standing and the United States might struggle to pay for its oil. The article apparently caused a shudder in the currency markets yesterday, as panicked investors unloaded dollars in reaction to the terrifying prospect of this alleged international oil conspiracy.

    But they really shouldn't be concerned. Fisk's theory would make a good plot for a Hollywood movie, but it doesn't make much sense as economics. It is true that oil is priced in dollars and that most oil is traded in dollars, but these facts make relatively little difference for the status of the dollar as an international currency or the economic well-being of the United States ...

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    But they really shouldn't be concerned. Fisk's theory would make a good plot for a Hollywood movie, but it doesn't make much sense as economics. It is true that oil is priced in dollars and that most oil is traded in dollars, but these facts make relatively little difference for the status of the dollar as an international currency or the economic well-being of the United States ...
    I do not want to be the devil advocate but basically US is paying oil in paper as the US print dollars. Changing the currency on oil market from $ to euro will allow Europe to pay oil in paper, just as the US.
    Then the US will have to:
    1) pay in foreign currency that they will have to purchase on international market. So the price variations of oil will impact directly the economy of US as even oil produced domestically will be subject to a world price in foreign currency.
    2) China is one of the biggest owner of US debt. Actually it does not worst even 1$/$. As curious it can be the bonds have a lower value than the one printed on it. A change in international currency for oil would impact the value of the $ on the market exchange. Then China (for example) will ask to be payed back for all the debt they own. What is actually quoted 0.9$/1$ may in deed be quoted 1.2$/1$.
    Just take the time to make the calculation of what represent 50% of US debt but with a 1,2$ value of each $ of debt.

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    ... Even if all oil were sold for dollars, it would be a very small factor in the international demand for dollars, as can be seen with a bit of simple arithmetic. World oil production is a bit under 90 million barrels a day. If two-thirds of this oil is sold across national borders, then it implies a daily oil trade of 60 million barrels. If all of this oil is sold in dollars, then it means that oil consumers would have to collectively hold $4.2 billion to cover their daily oil tab.

    By comparison, China alone holds more than $1 trillion in currency reserves, more than 200 times the transaction demand for oil. In other words, if China reduced its holdings of dollars by just 0.5 percent, it would have more impact on the demand for dollars than if all oil exporters suddenly stopped accepting dollars for their oil ...
    China does not buy USD or U.S. Gov debt because it is a spectacularly good investment. It has not been a good investment for the past decade, if you haven't noticed.

    China buys U.S. Gov debt because it would like to maintain a good exchange rate for its goods in the most important (both politically and economically) market in the world, and secondly because the U.S. remains the haven of last resort even in the face of a U.S.-generated global near-depression.

    Given that the U.S. provides the ultimate guarantee of security for the Gulf countries, I doubt highly that they would give up one of their few leverages in such a relationship for euros or a basket of world currencies.

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    Default Been out of the US for a while - A bit of catchup.

    Backtracking to the Engdahl piece, I agree in substance with some of his economic material, however, his take on the "color revolutions" is false. Even more than military campaigns, intelligence efforts take place in a fog; and in modern America, they suffer from a long history of administrations saying "Go ahead, yes we want that." until the plug is pulled at 1 minute to midnight and a bunch of people die or have to run for their lives.
    The color revolutions only look like they could be "directed efforts" in retrospect, and Engdahl's ideas are simply hubris. In Engdahl's mind, the idea that the people of those nations could have been smart enough and motivated enough to make those work isn't even a question. But, I was there, right in the middle of Saakishvili's transition to power, and those people are so capable. Never, ever underestimate them. Stalin was a Georgian, so is Primakov, and other members of the FSB and Kremlin. They didn't magically become cunning because of some "vibrations" in the Kremlin. Yes, the USA does influence from time to time, and Saakishvili has stayed in power by throwing around the idea that he is America's chosen. But it was all very messy, and mostly Georgians. Flatly, those people are so much better at this stuff (intrigue, black ops) than we are that we aren't in the same solar system as they are. Never, ever, ever underestimate them.

    Regarding this pricing model, the above arithmetic done on a daily basis adds up to 1.5 trillion on a yearly basis and has cascading effects. Yes, that makes a difference. Basic theory of markets - the marginal buyers set the price. Even during the height of the Enron created power blackouts in California, most of the power was sold at ordinary rates. But if only a few buyers must buy at a higher price, that becomes the new price.

    Regarding the other nations of the world creating a new currency instrument - they have no real choice. They have to move to a new instrument because the USA has become a nation run by pirate capitalists. We are the source of the disease, and the Europeans, Russians, Chinese and Indians all know it. Those pirates have our elected officials so well in hand that they can't be stopped or regulated.
    What happened with the meltdown is that AIG essentially insured loans made by the major banks. Based on those AIG issued derivatives, the banks moved loans they had made from the suspense account (which is where outstanding loans are carried) into their capital account. When the loans turned out to be bad, it became apparent that the lack of an open market for those AIG issued derivatives had radically underpriced them, because AIG could not actually cover them. What that means is that when the fraud was removed Citibank, Bank of America, et al had real reserves worse than 1:1000 when they are supposed to have 1:20 or at worst 1:40. That is why the international financial system broke. These banks no longer had the cash to carry out simple day to day operations for customers. The executives of those banks knew precisely what they were doing, and they did it to get around banking regulation of cash reserves. Their "record profits" were all lies.
    This type of instrument is still not traded openly, nor is it regulated in any way. That is extremely dangerous because now, for the first time in history, capitalism has been decoupled from productivity. To make money (on paper) it is no longer necessary or important to produce value in the economy. In fact, quite the reverse is true. Productivity, the creation of value, is the real stuff that money is a symbol for. We have allowed a financial system to come to life that makes money with no relationship to value at all. This new system will destroy value while enriching (on paper) those who game the system. They are still gaming it. The longer they are allowed to continue to do it, the more industries will shut down, the more jobs will be lost, and the greater share of the total economy will be owned by those gaming it in a vicious cycle.
    Given that, the rest of the world has no choice but to figure out a way to wall itself from uncle sam.

    I put the majority of my money in accounts in other countries/currencies a while ago.

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    US Stages a Fake Coup in order to get rid of National Debt. Best Economic recovery plan I have seen in a while

    http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...ages_fake_coup

    H/T to Fabius Maximis website.

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    Paulson Says Russia Urged China to Dump Fannie, Freddie Bonds, by Michael McKee and Alex Nicholson. Bloomberg, January 29, 2009.
    The Russians made a “top-level approach” to the Chinese “that together they might sell big chunks of their GSE holdings to force the U.S. to use its emergency authorities to prop up these companies,” Paulson said, referring to the acronym for government sponsored entities. The Chinese declined, he said.
    Short but interesting article. August 2008, same time period as Russia's 5 day war with Georgia.

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    Default Interesting tidbit. Not a surprise, but interesting.

    Interesting. Nice try Vladimir. :-)

    I think I've posted here about that little Georgia war. I ran an office in Tbilisi for 5 years up until 2005. Saw the transition to Saakishvili. I'll quickly recap my thoughts on that and segue into what I think this attempt probably means.

    I think the Kremlin decided that McCain was going to pull an October surprise in Georgia, pull the US into kicking some Russian ass to drive their troops back from Tskhinvali in order to throw the presidency to the republicans. Their reasons are: A. Saakishvili needed it to prop himself up. B. Saakishvili had been paying the guy McCain chose for SecDef as Georgia's lobbyist. C. McCain chose Saakisvili to succeed "Heavy Schevy." D. The republicans were clearly on the ropes. (E. It's what they would do in a heartbeat to keep power.)

    So, Putin and the boys decided to pop it off early when it they would be in control, and could kick some Georgian ass instead. Saakishvili's government is crawling with FSB agents. And frankly, I have to say, Saakishvili is a good sycophant, but he's just - well - the guy ain't very bright. Since lobbyists always over-indulge their clients, it was no big deal to get Saakishvili to think he should attack during the Olympics. (Schevardnadze never would have.)

    Putin knew that he would be in the stands with George Bush, able to watch him at the Olympics. When the balloon went up in Georgia, there he was. I watched him on TV during the opening preamble looking at Bush as Bush was told about it, and then Putin was conferring with his guys. Check the archives if you doubt me. I said right then what was going on - that Putin was using this as his final way to convince Kremlin doubters of the wisdom of his plan. The Kremlin boys have learned about us that our politicians are led around by the nose by our news media. And they knew the Olympics would be just too big a distraction for the Georgia war to get press. And that is why the war started at the Olympic opening, and wound up the day before the end. Nice, neat, tidy, and our politicians didn't have to give a damn.

    Consequently, it does not surprise me at all that Putin and company would attempt to try to get the Chinese to whack us with a big stick at the same time. Thinking this through, I would bet good money that there was a contingency plan to extend the Georgia war and push all the way through Georgia, taking control of the capital and annexing the nation back into the Russian Federation. (Georgia was a province of Russia for longer than the USA has been a nation.) I'd bet that the idea was, that if the Chinese could be talked into doing that, it would slam the USA economy so as to make a US military response a non-starter inside the beltway. A quick little blitz, then lock down Georgia until the house-to-house fighting is over. In America, if a War falls in the forest and nobody reports it, it didn't happen.

    But, the Chinese are no dummies. I am certain they saw right through it and knew darn well it wouldn't be in their interest. It would have critically weakened China too, because we are in a bit of a deadly embrace these days.

    I have said for many years now that the long term Russian Federation plan is to wait until the USA tires, try to provoke nations like Iran and whomever else into provoking a US military response. The long term plan is to be able to waltz in when the USA tires out and runs out of money - then take control of the Middle East. After all, it is as much their backyard as Mexico is ours. In the interim, the Russians learned all about what happens when a nation overspends on military and gets bogged down - we pushed them into that to end the cold war. As Russia sees it, since we have no significant trade relations with them, our loss is their gain.
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    Manipulating Gold and Silver: A Criminal Naked Short Position that Could Wreck the Economy, by Mark Mitchell. Deep Capture, 02 April 2010.
    Maguire says that the naked short selling scam is in the trillions of dollars, making it by far the biggest financial fraud in history. He calls it “financial terrorism” and accuses the naked short sellers of “treason” for putting national security at risk. It might be hard to believe that foreign entities are plotting to crush the U.S. economy, and perhaps they are not, but there is no doubt that loopholes in the clearing and settlement system – not just for metals, but also stocks, bonds, Treasuries, and derivatives – could quite easily be exploited by any foreign entity desiring to do harm to the U.S. economy. The only dispute is whether such a desire exists.

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    could quite easily be exploited by any foreign entity desiring to do harm to the U.S. economy. The only dispute is whether such a desire exists.
    The beauty of economic interdependence is that at least on the level of national actors, nobody has much incentive to target the US economy... they'd do themselves far more harm than good.

    I've said this before, but it bears repeating: short sellers are jackals, not lions. They prey on the weak, the bloated, and the dying. If the underlying equity or commodity is fairly valued and supported by reasonably strong fundamentals, short sellers can't cause anything more serious than a transient downward blip. Anything brought down by short sellers was dead on its feet to start with, and you could argue that short sellers do the markets a favor by perforating bloat before it gets any bigger.

    It doesn't take an abacus to figure that gold and silver are way out on a limb at today's prices. It doesn't take an abacus to figure that any positive economic news is likely to pull money out of precious metals and into equities and real estate, reducing support levels and depressing prices. Obviously short sellers are going to exploit this... but really, who cares? If the price of gold knocks back to $500/oz, how does that hurt the US economy? Sure, it sucks if you're carrying a long position in gold, but anyone carrying a long position in gold in what could turn out to be the opening stages of a recovery cycle is cruisin' for a bruisin' anyway. If you're betting on a double dip recession holding gold might make sense, but if the dip don't dip you're likely to take it where it hurts... this is the nature of the game.

    Short sellers make admirable scapegoats, and people who buy late into a bubble and watch their money take a dive are often inclined to look for scapegoats. Good to remember, though, that even if you see a dead elephant on the savannah with a bunch of jackals chowing down, that doesn't mean it was the jackals that killed the elephant.

    Yes, some short selling crosses the line into fraud, and it needs to be controlled more effectively... but I don't see it as the existential crisis that some make it out to be.

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