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    Beijing, Feb 12 : Terming US attempts to woo India and other neighbours of China as "unbearable," an article in a Communist party magazine has said that Beijing must send a "clear signal" to these countries that it is ready to go to war to safeguard its national interests.

    The article published in the Qiushi Journal, the official publication of the ruling Communist Party of China (CPC) said China must adhere to a basic strategic principle of not initiating war but being ready to counterattack.

    "We must send a clear signal to our neighbouring countries that we don't fear war, and we are prepared at any time to go to war to safeguard our national interests," the article said, suggesting an aggressive strategy to counter emerging US alliances in the region.
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    China on its part, it said, can consider the idea of launching economic warfare through strategies to contain the US dollar and making effective use of forums like the IMF and initiating a space war by developing strong space weapons.

    It also suggested as a counter-strategy the idea of pursuing a strong policy against neighbours joining the US alliance, even attacking a nearby enemy and forming anti-US alliances in Latin America and Africa.
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    Adam, did I miss it, or did the article only state Chinese Communist Magazine and didn't reference an issue or link? India's media is famous for drumming up good stories disassociated from facts, which unfortunately colors the few good news stories they uncover.

    Also important is who wrote it, and who the intended audience really was. We have some pretty provocative opinion pieces in our journals also, and they don't represent State policy. Not down playing this, just requesting more information.

    Loved the comment in the article, "flies do not stare at seamless eggs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    Not down playing this, just requesting more information.
    Bob,
    Google is your friend. 'Quishi-Journal' search term, published 1st & 16th of the month. There's probably a full translation up on OpenSource.gov but knowing the Indian press, the article probably had the bulk of the Chicom text in it already.

    http://www.oriprobe.com/qiushi_en.html

    http://www.asianage.com/internationa...hrough-war-185
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    U.S. “strategic priorities and interests will increasingly emanate from the Asia-Pacific region.” For “decades to come” the military will keep a robust presence in Northeast Asia. Across Southeast Asia and the Pacific, the U.S. will “seek new ways to catalyze greater regional security cooperation,” including with traditional Chinese allies like Vietnam.
    Mullen to China - We're Staying In Your Backyard - Danger Room

    The childish burblings of both China and the United States are becoming wearisome. Frankly, I would have expected better of the US, but there ya go.

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    Default Don't pay a whole lot of asttention to that Blog.

    It's operated by a bunch of wannabe's whose greatest claim to fame is that they can rouse rabble...

    That's merely one guys interpretation of the NMS / CJCS comments and his writings are not the position of the US Government -- for that matter, neither are the comments of the Chairman of the JCS necessarily indicative of that position.

    Our so-called news media babbles a lot and rarely do they actually reflect a true position of the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    Our so-called news media babbles a lot and rarely do they actually reflect a true position of the government.
    I stand corrected. It's good to know some folks can still tell the difference between white and wong. Or something like that. Anyhoo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    It's operated by a bunch of wannabe's ...
    Maybe you can provide something substantial on the article to make up for the dirty ad hominem attack?


    Wired's Danger Room is the most visited MilBlog, with articles by journalists and former military personnel. We could ignore it - but by that standard one ought to ignore almost all sources, ending up with a completely unsatisfactory choice of information sources.

    What's worse; it's a very questionable approach to consider only the government itself as a source for info about the government's intent.
    Imagine this: Governments lie, and it's the press' job to expose lies and misleading statements - or to comment on vague statements.

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    IndiaTV is India's answer to Glenn Beck. Never mind the Indian media, they don't just provide you with the news, they can even make some.

    For some genuine news regarding India consider these sources as somewhat closer to the truth.

    http://www.timesnow.tv/

    http://www.ndtv.com/

    http://www.hinduonnet.com/

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    WASHINGTON, May 19 (Xinhua) -- Chen Bingde, chief of the General Staff of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA), is on a week-long trip to the United States, leading a PLA delegation.

    During his stay, Chen has held talks with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and his U.S. counterpart Mike Mullen, exchanging views on relations between the two militaries,international and regional issues as well as bilateral practical cooperation.

    More importantly, Chen's visit is part of efforts to implement the consensus reached by Chinese President Hu Jintao and U.S. President Barack Obama.
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13885931.htm


    China's top military officer said Wednesday that his country lacked the equipment and directives necessary to challenge the U.S. militarily.

    "Through my visit over the past couple of days in the United States, I am surprised by the sophistication of the U.S. military, including its weapons and equipment and doctrines and so on," People's Liberation Army leader General Chen Bingde said. "I can tell you that China does not have the capability to challenge the United States. As a matter of fact, the reconnaissance activities along China's coast by U.S. military aircraft and vessels are seen in China as deterrents."

    For emphasis, the general added, "What I'm trying to say is that we do not have the capability to challenge the United States."
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    THE Philippines' defense and military establishments remain tight-lipped regarding an incident wherein Chinese fighter jets reportedly "buzzed" or flew too close to two aircraft while on a routine patrol over the disputed Spratlys Island in the South China Sea.

    The military is still verifying the report, said Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) spokesman Commodore Miguel Jose Rodriguez, echoing the same statement made by AFP chief General Eduardo Oban when the incident was reported Thursday.
    http://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/loc...counter-156639

    Facing the Threat of Piracy, China Starts to Talk Like a Superpower

    On a visit to the U.S. this week, China's top military commander Chen Bingde suggested that the international coalition patrolling the Gulf of Aden and the waters off the coast of Somalia ought to take decisive action against pirate dens on land. So far, the counter-piracy strategy has focused on the pirate "mother-ships," usually retrofitted trawlers that tow little skiffs out into the deep sea. Yet the pirate problem emanating from lawless Somalia cost the global economy over $8.3 billion in 2010.
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    (Reuters) - Pakistan said on Saturday it wanted China to build it a naval base, in the latest sign of moves to strengthen ties with Beijing as relations with Washington falter.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...74K27T20110521
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    War, war, war...

    A RISING star of the People's Liberation Army has called for China to rediscover its ''military culture'', while challenging unnamed Communist Party leaders for betraying their revolutionary heritage.

    General Liu Yuan displays deep hostility to the United States, says war is a natural extension of economics and politics and claims that ''man cannot survive without killing''.

    His essay, in a friend's book, says ''history is written by blood and slaughter'' and describes the nation-state as ''a power machine made of violence''.
    Chinese urged to put war on pedestal - Sydney Morning Herald - May 23, 2011


    ''Military culture is the oldest and most important wisdom of humanity,'' he writes. ''Without war, where would grand unity come from? Without force, how could fusion of the nation, the race, the culture, the south and the north be achieved?''
    Let's fly the red flag again, says Chinese general - Sydney Morning Herald - May 23, 2011

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    The United States was born through war, reunited by war, and saved from destruction by war. No future generation, however comfortable and affluent, should escape that terrible knowledge.

    What, then, can we do to restore the study of war to its proper place in the life of the American mind? The challenge isn’t just to reform the graduate schools or the professoriate, though that would help. On a deeper level, we need to reexamine the larger forces that have devalued the very idea of military history—of war itself. We must abandon the naive faith that with enough money, education, or good intentions we can change the nature of mankind so that conflict, as if by fiat, becomes a thing of the past. In the end, the study of war reminds us that we will never be gods. We will always just be men, it tells us. Some men will always prefer war to peace; and other men, we who have learned from the past, have a moral obligation to stop them.
    Why Study War? - Victor Davis Hanson - 2007

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    Scarlett: Fiddle-dee-dee. War, war, war; this war talk's spoiling all the fun at every party this spring. I get so bored I could scream. Besides... there isn't going to be any war.
    Brent Tarleton: Not going to be any war?
    Stuart Tarleton: Why, honey, of course there's gonna be a war.
    Scarlett: If either of you boys says "war" just once again, I'll go in the house and slam the door.
    Brent Tarleton: But Scarlett...
    Stuart Tarleton: Don't you *want* us to have a war?
    [she gets up and walks to the door, to their protestations]
    Scarlett: [relenting] Well... but remember, I warned you.
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    Here's my guess for how a Taiwan scenario might play out. If a fracas starts, guys like the jovial General Liu "Power Machine Made Of Violence" Yuan will move to the forefront and Taiwan will be wiped flat in the first 72 hours. No invasion, no negotiation. Then the real fun begins. Curtis LeMay and 'Linebacker II in '64' fans will understand this, I'm sure.

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