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    Default PLA Commissar predicts change

    Ray,

    A good catch, with staggering content. For a political commissar to say that openly is amazing. One wonders whether he is alone or the views reflect a debate with the PLA or CCP.
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    “Stressing stability as a principle of overriding importance, and moneymaking as the only way to settle everything, will only lead to contradictions being aggravated, and everything will come against you.”
    Great find Ray, and the excerpt about sounds a whole lot like our COIN doctrine. Is our doctrine based on communist principles and doomed to fail?

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    Default Options to gain an advantage

    A NDU / INSS report 'Buy, Build, or Steal: China’s Quest for Advanced Military Aviation Technologies' that maybe of interest (Note I've not read it):http://www.ndu.edu/press/lib/pdf/chi...pectives-4.pdf

    The Executive Summary concludes:
    two important conclusions. First, the Chinese military aviation industry will have to rely primarily on indigenous development of advanced “single-use” military aviation technologies in the future. The Chinese government is pursuing a range of “indigenous innovation” and technology development programs, but mastering advanced technologies becomes more difficult and expensive as a country moves closer to the technology frontier. This leads to a second, related conclusion: China will likely rely more heavily on espionage to acquire those critical military aviation technologies it cannot acquire legitimately from foreign suppliers or develop on its own.
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    Commentary: Constructive U.S. role in Asia-Pacific welcome, but not warmongering

    Legitimate interests of the United States, the world's biggest power, in the Asia-Pacific region are generally respected by other countries.

    The U.S. role, if fulfilled with a positive attitude and free from a Cold War-style zero-sum mentality, will not only be conducive to regional stability and prosperity, but be good for China, which needs a peaceful environment to continue its economic development.

    However, while boosting its military presence in the Asia-Pacific, the United States should abstain from flexing its muscles, as this won't help solve regional disputes.

    If the United States indiscreetly applies militarism in the region, it will be like a bull in a china shop, and endanger peace instead of enhancing regional stability.
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/in..._131346348.htm

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    Default A different, new order in Asia

    Hat tip to Lowy Institute, in Australia, for highlighting a speech by Hilary Clinton and opens with:
    The speech Hillary Clinton gave in Washington last week to mark the 40th anniversary of Nixon's visit to China didn't get much attention. Other than Linda Jakobson's short post, on which more below, I've seen no reference to it here in Australia or in US media.

    ...But the speech deserves careful attention, because some of what it says about the US-China relationship is very different from what President Obama said here in Canberra last November...

    ..More importantly, she several times said that Asia will need a new order which will be very different from the status quo, plainly implying that America's role will therefore be different too.
    Link:http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/...on-moment.aspx
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    Coup in China?

    The mutiny was supposedly led by a leftist faction inside the Politburo headed by Zhou Yongkang, the chief of China’s massive internal security apparatus, and the recently ousted leadership contender Bo Xilai.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2376711/
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    India,South Korea draw close; step up business, military ties
    http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsde...-Roundup-.html

    Strategic Posture Review: Japan

    Japan and India penned a joint security declaration in October 2008 and have developed dialogue channels focused mainly on maritime security: safety, freedom of navigation and anti-piracy activities. The bilateral agenda also emphasizes joint exercises, and in 2009 the Indian navy invited Japan’s Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF) to participate in the Malabar Exercises with the U.S. Navy. A bilateral exercise between the Indian navy and the MSDF is scheduled to take place in 2012. Japan and India signed a Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement that entered into force in August 2011, and Japan provides substantial development aid for projects such as the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor.

    http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/a...e-review-japan

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    Default Hi Ray:

    The Indians (Sanskrit type) are making my little map become more real.

    Cooperation in Friendship.

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    Default The PLA is rotten?

    A long FP Blog article and too tired to read all six pages, but I noted the well connected General Liu is cited, so will read fully tomorrow.

    It starts with:
    In many fields of international competition, China is less sanguine about its abilities than outsiders. Chinese leaders often remind Westerners that China is a developing country, with hundreds of millions of people living in poverty, an unbalanced economy, and high social tensions. What should most worry Beijing, and provide some comfort to those who fear Chinese military expansionism, is the state of corruption in the People's Liberation Army (PLA).
    Link:http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...ng_from_within
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    This would indeed indicate that there are internal problems within China as some claimed.

    Rotting From Within
    Investigating the massive corruption of the Chinese military.

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...thin?page=full


    How far this would be correct, one wonders.
    Corruption is rampant at every level in China; it's by no means confined to the military. It's getting a lot of attention right now due to the Bo Xilai scandal, but it's been well known for a long time.
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    I recently watched this docu, which I found very interesting even though I knew much of the narrative. It strongly reminds me of the saying that the only thing worse than being exploited by capitalism is not be to be exploited by it. Some gains in efficiency and the resulting rise in wealth were certainly amazing, the fruits of a giving people the chance to better their status quo on their merits. Of course the spirit of those who just took the chance, like the people of Xiao Gang was quite amazing and drive by dire need. That they signed a legal pact among each other to support the those and their families who might get imprisoned or killed by the state carries some sad irony with it. (Such reactions are of course not unique, but rather common if not so overt)

    Sustaining China's Economic Growth was eye-opening for me, especially concerning the implication of cultural differences, the (lack) of a good financial system and the lack of a social security net on things like the MPC or MPS (marginal prop. to consume/save) and the way to invest.
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    Default Useful and non-hysterical article on China and rare earths...

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary”

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    Default The Eurasian Land Bridge

    Link to article by F.William Engdahl about the high speed train line being built from China all the way to the English Channel and how this help China's prosperity into the next century.

    http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.ne...y%20Europe.pdf

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    It belongs to China

    The Scarborough Shoal does belong to China which discovered it and drew it in a map as early as 1279 during the Yuan Dynasty.

    http://manilastandardtoday.com/2012/...ongs-to-china/

    China map lays claim to Americas

    A map due to be unveiled in Beijing and London next week may lend weight to a theory a Chinese admiral discovered America before Christopher Columbus.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...9236/img/1.jpg
    Therefore, the world belongs to China!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayuhan View Post
    Corruption is rampant at every level in China; it's by no means confined to the military. It's getting a lot of attention right now due to the Bo Xilai scandal, but it's been well known for a long time.
    Don't they establish a tradition of annual quasi-summary executions of low and middle level party officials and bureaucrats for corruption? IIRC something like that has been going on for years.

    China map lays claim to Americas

    A map due to be unveiled in Beijing and London next week may lend weight to a theory a Chinese admiral discovered America before Christopher Columbus.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...9236/img/1.jpg
    This is certainly of great interest for sociologists, psychologists and political scientists.

    Such a fake can easily be disproved with a simple C14 analysis, and much of the map is simply not believable for a critically thinking modern (wo)man. Whom are they trying to fool and why don't they get that phony BS is a rather poor representative for a great country? It's as if Manhattan was built by Hollywood fake building producers, all Potemkim-style fakes.

    On top of that, jingoism can be really harmful to a country that needs to address major domestic issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Don't they establish a tradition of annual quasi-summary executions of low and middle level party officials and bureaucrats for corruption? IIRC something like that has been going on for years.
    They do, but it's less about corruption than about falling out of favor or stepping on the wrong toes. Corruption is always a convenient excuse to get rid of someone, especially since the accusation is always true, since practically everyone in government is corrupt. It's well known on the street and the level of cynicism is proportionally high.
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    If China's philosophy is to get rid of its detractors (domestic) by hook or by crook i.e. without any scruples or tenets of law, then why the razzmatazz being trotted out to make one to believe that China is a nation working overtime towards global harmony and peace.

    Would they not be equally unscrupulous and thus, not taken at face value?
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    Default An established fact ...

    from Ray
    Therefore, the world belongs to China!
    since 2002, when Gavin Menzies published "1421" (Amazon link, Menzies Wiki and a less charitable analysis).

    Re: BBC World Map (Link1 and Link2 - of many).

    As my favorite old judge once said: "Some humor has to be injected into these proceedings; otherwise, they become too serious."

    Ya gotta love those Hans if you're an Indian (of either kind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    If China's philosophy is to get rid of its detractors (domestic) by hook or by crook i.e. without any scruples or tenets of law, then why the razzmatazz being trotted out to make one to believe that China is a nation working overtime towards global harmony and peace.

    Would they not be equally unscrupulous and thus, not taken at face value?
    All nations claim to be working toward global harmony and peace, even those who whack their detractors (though those accused of corruption in China are not necessarily "detractors", often just those who wound up on the wrong side of internecine power struggles) and those who invade countries whose governments they dislike.
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