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    Sanchez Delivers Democratic Party Weekly Radio Address - SWJ Blog.

    ... Sanchez’s statement on his “firsthand account” implies that somehow he was a blameless bystander and not the one entrusted with day-to-day operations during the critical year following regime change in Iraq...

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    Simply amazing....

    And disgusting.....

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    My question is simple:

    Is he so dumb so as to not realize how he's being played right now as a political pawn?

    A few of us on here have worked, either directly or indirectly, under this man over the course of his career. I don't think anyone here has anything good to say about him, either. I know I don't.
    Example is better than precept.

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    Given his inability to accept any responsibility, I'm glad he's out of the Army and MNF-I, and Petraeus et al. are in charge. Let him win accolades among the anti-war crowd for his Bush-bashing. The rest of us should ignore him since we know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez
    Our Army and Marine Corps are struggling with changing deployment schedules that are disrupting combat readiness training and straining the patience and daily lives of military families. It will take the Army at least a decade to repair the damage done to its full spectrum readiness, which is at its lowest level since the Vietnam War. .
    If this is true, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Sanchez saying it.

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    Had Sanchez recognized the nature of the emerging threat (insurgency) and planned and implemented a theater-wide counterinsurgency campaign with the resources at hand, [during the critical year following regime change in Iraq] we may have avoided some of the difficulties later encountered.
    Just my opinion, but I think it’s fair more likely that Sanchez would’ve been fired.


    CNN Aired November 17, 2006 - 17:00

    DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: The solution is not military. The solution to that obviously is what Prime Minister Maliki is trying to do and that is a reach out to the Sunni community to attempt to fashion a reconciliation process that will bring together the elements of this country.

    Washington Post November 30 2005 Page A18

    Last weekend, while other Americans were watching football and eating leftover turkey, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld ended the Iraqi insurgency.
    It was easy, really: He declared that the insurgents would, henceforth, no longer be called insurgents.

    Over the weekend, I thought to myself, 'You know, that gives them a greater legitimacy than they seem to merit,”


    Reported everywhere June 20 2005

    “The insurgency in Iraq is in the last throes," Vice President Dick Cheney


    Christian Science Monitor, June 27, 2005

    As part of a public relations campaign leading up to President Bush addressing the nation Tuesday night about the war in Iraq, members of the Bush administration have been trying to downplay the strength of the insurgency in Iraq.



    Quote Originally Posted by SWJ Blog
    Unless there was some backdoor dialogue occurring that we are not privy too, it appears Sanchez did not have a problem with the U.S. strategy at that time… Bremer and Gen. Sanchez hated each other. They barely talked.
    IMO, not talking can be considered possible evidence of a disagreement.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez
    Shifting the primary mission of our troops away from combat will lead to a smaller U.S. military presence, and a greater obligation on the part of the Iraqis to take the lead in solving their country’s problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by SWJ Blog
    The U.S. now has a proper strategy in place, a COIN strategy that is population-centric unlike earlier enemy-centric strategies that yielded little or no results. Former senior MNF-I COIN adviser Dr. David Kilcullen describes this strategy
    If I understand Kilcullen, he says:

    1) COIN forces in Iraq don’t need to be American. They can be Iraqi.
    2) The only way insurgencies end is with a political agreement amongst all the parties involved.

    IMO, Sanchez’s statement is consistent with COIN doctrine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez
    “Although we cannot withdraw precipitously from Iraq
    That’s also consistent with the COIN strategy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez
    Furthermore, the bill puts America on the path to regaining our moral authority by requiring all government employees to abide by the Army Field Manual on interrogations, which is in compliance with the Geneva Conventions. America must accept nothing less.
    That’s consistent with the council’s foremost expert on the subject.

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    Justifying the use of torture because terrorists are criminal scum and not a conventional enemy only brings us down to their level…… Bluntly put, torture is both morally wrong and operationally ineffective.
    Seems to me Sanchez is saying: We should lower our forces quickly, because the military is strained and large numbers of troops are not producing any progress toward the political agreement that is needed.

    And the editorial is saying: We should lower our forces slowly, because even though large numbers of troops aren’t producing any political progress, they might.

    Though since I don’t want to be accused of misquoting, here re the exact words, edited and slightly out of order.
    Quote Originally Posted by SWJ Blog
    Sanchez notes, and is correct, that so far there is no evidence that there is movement towards political reconciliation at the national government level….While the jury is still out on the ultimate success of this new strategy … it has provided the Iraqi government a window of opportunity to seek a national reconciliation. .


    It’s a pretty minor disagreement except for the fact that Democrats are one side and Republicans on the other.
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    For some reason, this wouldn't fit above. (Maybe there's a space limit on editorial rebuttals.) I thought it was relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by SWJ Blog
    Unless there was some backdoor dialogue occurring that we are not privy too, it appears Sanchez did not have a problem with the U.S. strategy at that time
    He wasn’t the only one.

    "]PBS Dec 04

    COL. THOMAS HAMMES: I think one of the problems has been our failure to properly man the training staffs. Gen. Petreus was sent in, in March 2004 with the idea of taking over training of all the security services.


    Vice President Dick Cheney, at a campaign debate 2004, expressed confidence in the new Iraqi government and in Iraqi forces.
    VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: We also are actively, rapidly training Iraqis to take on the security responsibility. Those two steps are crucial to success in Iraq. They're well in hand, well under way, and I'm confident that in fact we'll get the job done.
    Dec 24, 2004
    LT. GEN. JOHN SATTLER: We feel right now that we have, as I mentioned, broken the back of the insurgency and we have taken away this safe haven.

    "CPA Press Conference Nov 19 2003

    Q Steve Komarow with USA Today. A lot of these targets have been show-of-force sort of things, empty buildings, that sort of thing. Can you give me a historical precedent where such shows of force have resulted in an insurrection like this being ended?

    GEN. KIMMITT: I can show you plenty of historical examples that when you have defeated an enemy, and you've taken away his resources and you've taken away his will to fight, that insurgency has collapsed. That fight has collapsed.
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    It is not that he is making inaccurate statements, it's that he bears some responsibility for these same things. He wasn't some lowly private unable to influence the situation.

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    Default George B. McCellan, Redux

    History tells us of another General, who after failing to adjust to a fast moving battlefield and always underestimated his enemy was replaced. General George B. McCellan resurfaced to become the Democratic nominee in 1864, running on an anti-war platform that sought negotiations with the Confederacy. He was forced to repudiate this position after the new strategies pursued by Grant and Sherman turned the tide of war. General Sanchez in becoming partisan, has diluted any arguement he presents, to a tepid gruel.

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    Default Ra...

    ... lot of great links, I'm sure. Also, your postings are quite busy and don't cut-to-the-quick. Can you boil it down to what you think and why? I might be able to churn out some type of response. Right now I'm not so inclined to. Thanks.

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    Default Partisanship

    Let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? No one would be complaining if Sanchez had delivered the weekly Republican radio address. Let's not mask rank partisanship in the guise of sober reflections on Sanchez' credibility (or lack thereof).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorB View Post
    Let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? No one would be complaining if Sanchez had delivered the weekly Republican radio address. Let's not mask rank partisanship in the guise of sober reflections on Sanchez' credibility (or lack thereof).
    You're right. Let's be honest. Let's also utilize the search device and take a look at how poorly this guy was viewed by his Soldiers well before this week's address.
    Example is better than precept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorB View Post
    Let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? No one would be complaining if Sanchez had delivered the weekly Republican radio address. Let's not mask rank partisanship in the guise of sober reflections on Sanchez' credibility (or lack thereof).
    To answer your posed question, I for one would be complaining if Sanchez delivered the same messages. I am neither Republicanas you assume nor Democrat My issues with Sanchez deal with his performance when it counted and his statements now on that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorB View Post
    Let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? No one would be complaining if Sanchez had delivered the weekly Republican radio address.
    If he was doing that I would be dismissing him as a partisan fool like General Franks. It isn't what he said or where he said it. It is the fact that he is a least partly responsible. But just like the political bosses he now criticizes he pretends to be the victim excepting none of the responsibility.

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    Default Bad Idea for Sanchez? How About the Democrats?

    I'm more disappointed in the Democrats for associating themselves with this guy.

    They're so willing to embrace anyone who is anti-Bush or antiwar, especially if he wears a uniform so they can cover their perceived deficiency in national security (which is crap - Bush is no more qualified in national security and foreign affairs, and probably much less so, than Al Gore or John Kerry were), that they trot out Sanchez.

    Very disappointing to me, and I've never voted anything other than Democrat (though I've only been voting for three years. . .)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorB View Post
    Let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? No one would be complaining if Sanchez had delivered the weekly Republican radio address. Let's not mask rank partisanship in the guise of sober reflections on Sanchez' credibility (or lack thereof).
    I disagree I think Sanchez would be disparaged in any case. I would have been just as disappointed, but then again I like Gravel for a Democrat nominee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorB View Post
    Let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? No one would be complaining if Sanchez had delivered the weekly Republican radio address. Let's not mask rank partisanship in the guise of sober reflections on Sanchez' credibility (or lack thereof).
    I will be honest, very honest - I'd take issue with his remarks if he was delivering them from Mount Sinai.

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    Default The Reason Why

    Frankly, I have to agree with a bunch of folks on here. He could have been giving this little anti-pep talk at the next Republican Convention and I'd still think he was playing dog in the manger.

    1) He's a day late and a dollar short. COIN strategy appears to be working. Listening to his diatribe was like having someone shout "who farted" right in the middle of an EF Hutton commercial. (Pardon my crudeness)

    2) Just by his words, I think the assumption that he would have instigated a counter-insurgency plan if not for the fear of being fired or from taking too much direction from Rumsfield, et al is bogus. It seems clear he is a "Powell Doctrine" kind of guy and really didn't want to be doing COIN or nation building. In fact, that he would have been the person in charge of giving information to Rumsfeld, et al on the war and a major source of input on the "how to" fight in that combat theater including numbers and strategy.

    In short, he's a conventional warfare guy who got stuck with an insurgency and now wants everyone to believe, in the middle of a successful counterinsurgency, that we should back out and focus on conventional warfare planning for some other threat.

    I am constantly amazed that we refuse to plan for and execute both.
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    Well, he maybe can get a 5th star if Hillary wins the White House and be dubbed Commander of the Planets Free Forces and get a newly designed uniform with lots of gold braids and other fanciful things, though he ain't nearly as pretty as Wes Clark IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorB View Post
    Let's be honest with ourselves, shall we? No one would be complaining if Sanchez had delivered the weekly Republican radio address. Let's not mask rank partisanship in the guise of sober reflections on Sanchez' credibility (or lack thereof).
    This little post got more response in this thread, than the original comments by Sanchez. I agree, the Democrats should have known better than to hitch their hopes on a guy who had lost the credibility of the men he led, long before he retired.
    As for former Flags jumping into politics, most made that leap, only after they were successful on the battlefield. IE, Washington, Jackson, Grant, T. Roosevelt, and Eisenhower.

    Patton once said: "Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser." This rule still applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kehenry1 View Post
    I am constantly amazed that we refuse to plan for and execute both.
    AMEN! This is one of my biggest pet rocks in the whole thing: the seemingly hard-wired "either/or" approach that we seem to take.

    And as far as Sanchez goes...I have no use for his comments, no matter what podium he's standing behind when he utters them. Let's not mask questions of competence behind political grandstanding by any side.
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