French urban rioting (catch all)

[goesh]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21978411/

"The violence was more intense than during three weeks of rioting in 2005, said the official, Patrice Ribeiro. Police were shot at and are facing "genuine urban guerillas with conventional weapons and hunting weapons.
Dozens of officers injured in Paris-area rioting
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At least 77 police injured during intense rioting by ‘genuine urban guerillas’
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Library set afire
Among the buildings targeted by the youths was a library, which was set afire.
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In Sunday's violence, eight people were arrested and 20 police officers were injured -- including the town's police chief, who was beaten in the face when he tried to negotiate with the rioters, police said. One firefighter also was injured. "

Not the Chief! Where is Napolean's famous whiff of grapeshot when needed most?

[tequila]

French hysteria in overdrive yet again.

I love how these urban 'rebellions' almost never result in any serious injuries or fatalities. Methinks the French have forgotten what a real riot looks like - it looks like this.

[goesh]

that's in the Bronx, ain't it? Probably taken after a Knicks loss and with that, I'll give an old fashioned Bronx cheer for the French - drop a few of them rioters with molotovs in their hands and the burning would stop pretty fast

[Stan]

The problems are directly related to social discipline. Take this photo from the April riots in Estonia, where the photographer asks "For those who still don't understand the difference between Chillin' and Hangin' out...well, those face down are chillin' and the others...

[tequila]

that's in the Bronx, ain't it? Probably taken after a Knicks loss and with that, I'll give an old fashioned Bronx cheer for the French - drop a few of them rioters with molotovs in their hands and the burning would stop pretty fast

1992, Los Angeles.

As for the "just breed" comment, one should realize that most of these rioters are the children of immigrants from the 1950s-1960s. The only reason they are called "immigrants" at all when they were mostly born in France is because they are nonwhite.

"Assimilation" would require combating things like this. The French appear to prefer crying wolf over vandalism.

[goesh]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21978411/

"Sarkozy labels Paris-area riots as ‘unacceptable’"

"Police speak of no-go zones where they and firefighters fear to patrol."

Now that's unacceptable, Sarkozy - weeping Jesus! what a neutered leader.

" Despite decades of problems and heavy state investments to improve housing and create jobs, the depressed projects that ring Paris are a world apart from the tourist attractions of the French capital."

I guess that makes the poor youth who shoot at cops and injure them and burn buildings and cars the real victims here.

In the dark ages, phlegm was considered a body humor, one of 4, that caused sluggishness and apathy. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the shooters can be identified and put in therapy and given more Welfare. What else can the French do?

[davidbfpo]

Returning to the serious side for a moment.

Rioting reported in Grenoble:

Rioters in France have torched cars and opened fire on police offers during an overnight confrontation in the southeastern French city of Grenoble.

Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-shooting.html

[40below]

If you had to live in some Parisian hellhole like the 112th arrondisement, you'd be burning cars too.

[invictus0972]

The problem is the European selfishness that results in low birth rates forcing them to import labor. The solution is for them to breed so that they do not have to import labor. If they do not do this, they need to genuinely try assimilation. . .a dirty word to many of their elitists.

[davidbfpo]

Found via KoW a respected academic's report, on two suburbs of paris that exploded in rioting in 2005; which starts with:

Local communities in France’s immigrant suburbs increasingly organize themselves on Islamic lines rather than following the values of the secular republic, according to a major new sociological study.

The resulting study − “Suburbs of the Republic” − found that religious institutions and practices are increasingly displacing those of the state and the French Republic, which has a strong secular tradition.

(Ends with) The author warns: “France’s future depends on its ability to re-integrate the suburbs into the national project.”

Link:http://english.alarabiya.net/article...06/170484.html

The actual report appears not to be available, for those interested the think tank's website is:http://www.institutmontaigne.org/site/page.php

[davidbfpo]

Small riot in an Amiens suburb last night:

Sixteen police officers were injured in the clashes with up to 100 youths, some of whom threw fireworks, large-sized shot and projectiles, say police. Reports suggest the unrest may have been triggered after police arrested a man for dangerous driving. (Citing the Mayor) There have been regular incidents here but it has been years since we've known a night as violent as this with so much damage done...

Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19256122 and slightly different report and this:

On the eve of Francois Hollande's 100th day in power, gangs of youths used live bullets to shoot at police...

Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...a-warfare.html

[davidbfpo]

A short article based on a new book:

The following is an excerpt from Didier Fassin's Enforcing Order: An Ethnography of Urban Policing, a study conducted over 15 months of field work that depicts the hostile relationship between youths and police in riotous France. Fassin, an ethnographer, worked closely with anti-crime squads in one of the largest precincts in the Paris region to show a unique perspective into the lives of police tasked with enforcing social order in the name of public security.

Link:http://www.policeone.com/training/ar...volatile-city?

The French state has a long history of confronting dissent, protest and apparently what other LE agencies would call anti-social behavior. Their approach is far from 'community policing' as this passage shows:

As to the relationship between the local population and law enforcement, it was consistently deteriorating. There were constant stops and frisks, always targeting the same young men, which had no effect on illegal activities but raised tensions. When a resident called the police about a mundane problem such as a noisy gathering in a square, the response was so brutal and, ultimately, counterproductive that most had given up making complaints.

[AdamG]

French interior minister warned on Sunday that the possibility of terror attacks by the hundreds of European jihadists returning home from Syria represents "the greatest danger we will have to face in the coming years".

"We, French and Europeans, could be overwhelmed by this phenomenon, given its scale," Manuel Valls said in a television interview.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-Syria.html

[davidbfpo]

A NYT review of a new book 'The French Intifada: The Long War Between France and Its Arabs' by Professor Andrew Hussey, a British academic based in Paris:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/29/bo...ssey.html?_r=0

Hard to find the best quote, so here is one passage:

According to one finding, French Muslims make up the largest fraction of European jihadists in Syria. Hussey reports that Muslims are 70 percent of inmates in French prisons — an “engine room of Islamist radicalism.”

Is this a cultural or socioeconomic problem? Hussey argues skillfully against commentators who reduce all discontents to poverty. Both economic and #cultural factors are surely at play. France has struggled with obdurate unemployment rates for a long time, yet the globalization of aggressive Islamic radicalism in past decades merits no less consideration.

Link to Amazon, note it is possible to order via SWJ and so it gets a commission:http://www.amazon.com/French-Intifada-Between-France-Arabs/dp/0865479216/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404069004&sr=1-1&keywords=andrew+hussey+the+french+intifada

http://www.amazon.co.uk/French-Intif...rench+intifada

[Bob's World]

The issue that France must come to grip with is not why most European foreign fighters come from France - but rather why most French prisoners are Muslim.

I suspect the reasons are very closely related, and have little to do with any "radicalization" occurring once they are in prison, but rather the radicalization of the governance that sent them there to begin with.