Homosexuality and Military Service (Merged thread)

[LegalBud]

I take issue with your contention that there are those in the military who can righteously object to homosexuality. All to often, the homophobes are nominally religious and their religious objections are based in ignorance and hypocrisy. Having been raised in a fundamentalist, evangelical home, I can state with complete certainty that the Bible (and the Torah and Koran) forbid Adultery, Fornication, Alcholism, Gambling, Cursing, and even Prostitution there are also a fair number who would like to say that smoking is also a sin. You will find a plethora of the above listed vices in the military services. Indeed, with male homophobes, you will often find acceptance of lesbianism (so long as they are young and hot and on video tape), but not male homosexuality. This is all to say, these homophobes are using religion as a crutch for their own petty small mindedness; that we are willing to enshrine it in public policy is a tremendous disgrace. The number of servicemembers who are truly virtuous and follow the Bible strictly is likely less than 1%.

As for your argument about sexual objection, like I said there seems to be no problem with Fornication, Adultery, or Prostitution. "Wrap it up" is sage advice for both gay and straight. The service isn't a pick-up joint, but it seems that many heterosexuals treat it as such, and if you like, I recommend you review the numbers of female servicemembers who are married to a fellow servicemember. The numbers are something like 40-50%.

Finally, as a straight man who was required to conduct two DADT investigations while stationed aboard USS Last Ship, I have to say my greatest problem with DADT after the hypocrisy and fairness issues, is that DADT essentially confers special rights upon gays and lesbians in the service. I investigated a minor sexual assault, something that could have gone to Captain's Mast and resulted in a bust, restriction, etc. But, since it was a potential DADT and the result could be Admin Sep, I had to ensure the servicemember understood the entire DoD DADT policy, and then ask questions.

DADT is stupid, and it's continued maintenance by old white men is an absolute tragedy.

[CloseDanger]

Why is this so imperative to swing around while we are in 3 wars?

What is so hard about keeping your bedroom in your bedroom?
If there is no issue, do not make it one. The Military is NOT a social experiment. Most men do not care who is gay. I do not see who would want to openly advertise that.

As with all things, keep everything in your pants in your unit, and invite them not to your bedroom. And there is enough legal issues to tend with in these wars already.

Could we kill this dead horse already and let our Soldiers go about their business without more idiot briefings?
People are trying to kill US.

Keep your sex where it belongs - that means it is no ones business but yours.

May we attend to war now?

[subrosa]

i loooove men...but its too tempting to be together. so if i was a gay person and in the same unit it would be too much.

[Tukhachevskii]

i loooove men...but its too tempting to be together. so if i was a gay person and in the same unit it would be too much.

You could always re-create "Sacred Bands"

[subrosa]

The Sacred Band of Thebes was made up of one hundred and fifty male couples, the rationale being that lovers could fight more fiercely and cohesively than strangers with no ardent bonds.

how sexy! this may actually work out for the best!

[Rifleman]

how sexy! this may actually work out for the best!

Go back to reading about war and peace, dancing, and fooling around in the kitchen.

I'm sure it's what you do best.

[120mm]

Why is this so imperative to swing around while we are in 3 wars?

What is so hard about keeping your bedroom in your bedroom?
If there is no issue, do not make it one. The Military is NOT a social experiment. Most men do not care who is gay. I do not see who would want to openly advertise that.

As with all things, keep everything in your pants in your unit, and invite them not to your bedroom. And there is enough legal issues to tend with in these wars already.

Could we kill this dead horse already and let our Soldiers go about their business without more idiot briefings?
People are trying to kill US.

Keep your sex where it belongs - that means it is no ones business but yours.

May we attend to war now?

The answer to that is easy. A certain portion of the counter-culture is there in order to revel in the attention they get through their freakazoid behavior. It's not about sexuality, it's about being an attention-wh*re.

And while there is a war going on, they feel the need to meddle and draw attention. Some, but not all of the gay community participate in homosexuality because the behavior is "extreme." And if gay behavior was mainstream, they'd be diddling little kids. And if diddling little kids was mainstream, they'd be boinking farm animals. And if farm animals was mainstream, they'd be doing dead bodies. Etc., etc...

So, again, it goes back to my main point. Anyone who allows their behavior, straight or gay, or even non-sexual, to interfere with good order and discipline, needs to find other work.

[Uboat509]

DADT is stupid, and it's continued maintenance by old white men is an absolute tragedy.

And with that, anything that you said that might have been worthwhile will be ignored. Old white men? Really? Are they the only ones that are in favor of DADT?