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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Rodgers View Post
    This is a great thread. Two separate points, which I'll weigh in on with different posts.

    Re: D3A, EBO, and the targeting cycle - MAJ Thornton was helpful to me offline on this topic (and a couple of others) a couple of weeks ago. Steve, respectfully, I'm not sure that it's realistic to say that all D3A "melts away" all the problems, or that it's some sort of strategic\operational\tactical panacea.

    Rob made some points that, in my mind, makes it more useful as a decision aid than perhaps I had previously considered, and I acknowledge my lack of real world experience with it in the field. I get the importance of decision aids in a chaotic, complex tactical environment. And "targeting" has always been done, formally or informally, whatever buzzwords are hung on it. But I still think that some sort of catch all matrix for "effects", where lethal and non-lethal "fires" are simply levers to be pulled, vastly over-simplifies this.

    This is a fairly active argument, with different takes on it being represented in the outgoing and incoming commanders at JFCOM. Rob bridges the gap by acknowledging the friction and complexity. I have no trouble believing that some sort of hybrid approach where both

    -a formalized targeting process is used,
    -great care is taken in pushing commander's intent down to the lowest level

    is the most appropriate solution. But I just don't see where EBO (as I understand it) accurately reflects the choices a commander has to make.

    There are a couple reasons for my take on this. The lesser concern is that D3A might - subtly - drive higher echelons to keep chasing the HVT at the expense of lower level initiative and freedom of action. This is a lesser concern because strong leadership would probably prevent this, and in the absence of strong leadership, a matrix is probably not the most pressing concern.

    But the bigger issue, that no one has really explained (to me) how to work around, is that the "Assess" phase is forced to fit into the unit's preferred battle rhythm.

    That may not sound like that big of a deal. But I keep coming back to Information Operations (more accurately Psyops). Civilian side, I'm a web analytics specialist. Basically, I develop and assess metrics in support of marketing of web services, e.g. USAA's web site. There's a lot of overlap between IO and marketing, a point made in a somewhat different context in the Trent-Doty piece in the July-August 2005 Military Review. Broad marketing efforts simply CAN NOT be assessed that cleanly and quickly, and I would argue the same applies to any kind of well thought out IO plan. Oh, you can assess, briefly, a single promotion. But that has to be trended over time, coupled with long term "brand" research and lots of other things filled with buzzwords IOT get an accurate picture. And that's in a vastly less complex, ambiguous environment.

    IO is supposed to be a key focus in COIN. In fact, if you were to retool the "Battlefield Operating Systems" (FMs 3-0, 5-0, 6-0) for a population focused environment, it would probably be an Operating System of it's own, instead of simply being lumped in with Fires. It might be employed separately or in conjunction with other types of ops. Measuring success\failure will likely be murky and take a long time. Given those things - I simply don't see how D3A gets you to where you need to be, at least not by itself.

    And that's just IO, which I mention because of my marketing experience. The same is true of

    -Civic Projects (CERP\PRTs\whatever), which will likely take a long time to unfold
    -ISR, where patterns that unfold in a few days at a CTC might take months downrange
    -and lots of other things

    IIRC, I read a piece where the "preferred" cycle for EBO was three weeks. A smart commander could and probably would tailor that. But I can get the image out of my head of a frustrated commander either

    -yelling "Repeat" at the trooper with the handbills or
    -writing off a promising COA after a couple of weeks because "Assess" was coming up murky, particularly if higher was pushing hard

    Am I misunderstanding something? Or lacking the experience to put it into context? Because every time I consider lumping IO (and other effects) into a Fires focused targeting process, my skin crawls.

    Hi Jim, no you haven't missed anything you are tracking right on. My comment dealt strictly with the fact that between EBO and D3A...D3A is better and it is a lot simpler and will still achieve the same effect(pun intended) that is all I meant by it.

    Having said that, when EBO was first conceived it had several steps to it not just targeting. These steps in the process are pretty much gone so I wouldn't worry to much about it ( based upon the J9 EBA unclassified manual I read). To review the history though for something to be a true EBO operation you would have to have great intelligence,Precision Guided Munitions, the ability to attack all targets in parallel. All that had to be there or it was not likely to work out as it was originally conceived.

    It is no longer published but if you can find the Air Command and Staff College student handbook on planning the Air Campaign you would see how simple it really was. I have checked and the old handbook is no longer on line


    Point two and it is a big one EBO is based on systems theory (not chaos theory) if you don't believe in this it will not work. The hybrid theory of combing EBO with D3A will just make things more complicated in my opinion. D3A is already integrated in the MDMP and that would be a better choice. The worst thing is to make things more complicated which EBA is doing IMO. Hell I don't even understand that anymore. When did the military start attacking "Nodes" thats just non-sense IMO. They should have left PEMSI(I keep wanting to say Pepsi) as the 5 rings it has the same effect

    Final point. EBO in one word is why? Why will attacking this target lead you to your final objective. If you can't answer that... it might work out... but it probably want.

    Hope this helps or do you have more questions? Slap

    Here is a link to one of the best papers I ever read on the subject.
    http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...szafranski.htm
    Last edited by slapout9; 12-04-2007 at 02:48 AM. Reason: add link to paper

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