The following may usefully inform this discussion
http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo89.en.pdf
Personally I think EBO is the worst type of rubbish, so I am very predisposed to Ron Tira's thinking.
EBO rebuttal
The following may usefully inform this discussion
http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/memoranda/memo89.en.pdf
Personally I think EBO is the worst type of rubbish, so I am very predisposed to Ron Tira's thinking.
Infinity Journal "I don't care if this works in practice. I want to see it work in theory!"
- The job of the British Army out here is to kill or capture Communist Terrorists in Malaya.
- If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
Sir Gerald Templer, foreword to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition
I think it was tequila that found this paper a while back and posted it for the SWC. I read it back then and thought it was an excellent paper. Particularly the name Stand Off Firepower Operations because that is what EBO has become as opposed to what it was originally trying to be. The paper is well worth the read.
With my admittedly very limited grasp of Aerial Warfare in general and Campaign design and planning in particular, I nevertheless see great merit in EBO as a whole, applied judiciously. Designing Aerial Bombardment Campaigns around Systems of directly-related targets rather than merely indirectly- or unrelated individual targets is at least as effective, and much more efficient, than the old way of doing things - where applicable. Systems Targeting - amongst other things - in EBO is definitely an improvement.Originally Posted by slapout9
Last edited by Norfolk; 12-20-2007 at 03:15 PM.
Joint Task Force Katrina by Lt. Gen. Honore' this is largely about command and control planning (big part of EBO) but near the back of the article you will see an EBO planning sheet that was used for part of the operation. They were able to predict very accurately what the situation would be on the ground so when General Honore' finally received the authority to act his response was very good.
http://www.jfsc.ndu.edu/schools_prog...pring_2006.pdf
Here is another good article on the adaption of Warden's rings for use in Targeting in an unconventional environment.
http://smallwarsjournal.com/documents/grubbs1.pdf
slap, at this rate practically my entire understanding of Aerial Campaigning will have come through reading Billy Mitchell, John Warden, and you and the pieces you put links up to.
Sir, I have not yet begun to fight.
William
that depends on the goal and the level of implementation. We have used effects based thinking here for the past 5 years as a way of synchronizing lethal and non-lethal means in the full spectrum fight. thet effects process is buit into the targeting cycle as part of concurrent operations and future planning. It works.
Tom
OK, I'm listening. Examples? How would the IDF have employed the techniques you describe against the Hezbollah?
...and targeting cycle? Just point me at the doctrine papers.
Infinity Journal "I don't care if this works in practice. I want to see it work in theory!"
- The job of the British Army out here is to kill or capture Communist Terrorists in Malaya.
- If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
Sir Gerald Templer, foreword to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition
If you have access you may see relevant studies at the CALL gateway. That is the best I can offer.
IDF operations against Hizballah had a host of problems, not all of which were due to fixation on effects based operations as applied through aerial means.
Many of the problems on the ground were due to poor warfighting skills--some say due to degradation brought about by fixation on operations on the West Bank and Gaza. That may be partially the case; some of the problems sounded very much like what I saw in southern Lebanon in 1987 and harken back to similar issues dating back to the 56, 67, and 73 Wars.
best
Tom
Is this the targeting cycle?
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp.../3-56_1ch4.htm
Isn't that pure EBO? How is effects based thinking different from EBO? Really, I'm here to learn.
Infinity Journal "I don't care if this works in practice. I want to see it work in theory!"
- The job of the British Army out here is to kill or capture Communist Terrorists in Malaya.
- If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
Sir Gerald Templer, foreword to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition
Wilf, not at all. Targeting is just one step in the EBO process, however it is the one that people usually jump to. This leads to the targeting only mentality which is where you get the everything is a target so let's just blow it up type thinking (Your IDF Paper Example) which can be a disaster. There is a paper from Hurricane Katrina I am goinng to post (when I can find it) about how EBO was used in the Military response to Hurricane Katrina. Later Slap
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