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    Quote Originally Posted by selil View Post
    Uncle Joe McCarthy always said subversion would come through the Army... Do you own anything...... RED!!!!........
    Yeah, we bought our daughter a few years ago a cute little bright red VW beetle; you know, the kind that his the little flower vase next to the steering wheel for a flower. I like driving it; I especially liked driving it last year after getting back from Baghdad. I always made sure the flower was in the vase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gian P Gentile View Post
    I went to UC Berkeley and for a while even subscribed to the "Nation." Am I in trouble? I like Al Franken and do believe that Rush Limbaugh is a "big fat idiot." Am I to be investigated for subversion?

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    My understanding was that you were already on the purge list. It was discussed at the last Neocon-Zionist meeting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveMetz View Post
    My understanding was that you were already on the purge list. It was discussed at the last Neocon-Zionist meeting.
    Right, Right; that is the thing that Ken White runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gian P Gentile View Post
    Right, Right; that is the thing that Ken White runs.
    Didn't you see the memo
    He broke off and created the proto-diluvian subset.
    Probably too many disagreements with the more purist interpretations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post

    I have trouble coping with complex theories, therefor I've decided to label myself as a neo-Zionistic proto diluvian and I'm sticking with that no matter what either side's fringe wants to call me. NZPD for short, not to be confused with the far better known (and probably more efficient) Slapout PD.
    I myself have chose a more definative path of NZOOSRP
    ( Neocon-Zionist-Over-Optimistic-Somewhat-Realistically-Pragmatist)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gian P Gentile View Post
    Right, Right; that is the thing that Ken White runs.
    Colonels outa trouble is So-o-o repetitive a thing as jobs go.

    No, sir, you always start off on your LEFT foot. So it's left, right...

    (Unless you're in the Old Guard, they walk funny. Not to mention at my age and on a pack of Pall Malls a day, I don't run anything or anywhere if it can be avoided... )

    (Ron is correct, on reflection,us dinosaurs cannot be associated with any of this neo-stuff; we do Paleo and the paleo-er the better. Ergo, I have to be a PZPD -- which sounds like an old Soviet AP Mine??? ... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gian P Gentile View Post
    Yeah, we bought our daughter a few years ago a cute little bright red VW beetle; you know, the kind that his the little flower vase next to the steering wheel for a flower. I like driving it; I especially liked driving it last year after getting back from Baghdad. I always made sure the flower was in the vase.

    gian

    Oooh my daughter wants one of those. Did you get her the uber environmental friendly (high mpg) diesel or the uber sun friendly convertible?

    Urp... I mean aren't they made by former fascists and horrible on American trade!!!!????

    Anarchist political correctness is so dang tiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selil View Post
    I think since people think that fourth generation warfare is a decided (no it isn't) affair, then we've got to go out and discover the fifth generation. If I was going to place fifth generation warfare it would be firmly in the land of computer mediated warfare. At no other time in history have we had the capability of command, control, communication, and coordination. We often try and define cyber warfare as a limited engagement involving computers and the efficacious hooliganism of attacks within one of the three confidentiality, integrity, availability (CIA) triad.

    I think if you look deeper the topic is much bigger and references a ground swell in adoption and adaption to strategies and abilities. Computers running UAV's, computers running Phalanx and other battle systems, IED sweeping robots (Roomba of the battle field), and so much more that didn't exist 25 years ago. Fifth generation warfare is not a simple information operation (IO) that might involve a political process. It is a ground swell and change in the active pursuit of kinetic and non-kinetic means of battle.
    I guess I should have just asked this in the first place. I first came across the concept of 5GW here:
    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/07...ation-war.html

    Also here:http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2007/11/t...ategy.php#more

    The authors' seemed to indicate that 5GW begins with some sort of conspiracy. The second article deals exclusively with left-wing 5GW strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratzel View Post
    I guess I should have just asked this in the first place. I first came across the concept of 5GW here:
    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/07...ation-war.html

    Also here:http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2007/11/t...ategy.php#more

    The authors' seemed to indicate that 5GW begins with some sort of conspiracy. The second article deals exclusively with left-wing 5GW strategy.
    Did you check into who the authors are? I find that's usually a good starting point. Personally, I find Dan tdaxp a little creepy to read. And there's no profile that I can find at his blog, which is never a good sign.

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    here is one discussion on the topic
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    JeffC wrote:

    "Did you check into who the authors are? I find that's usually a good starting point. Personally, I find Dan tdaxp a little creepy to read. And there's no profile that I can find at his blog, which is never a good sign. "
    Jeff,

    There's nothing creepy about Dan, he's a good guy - and I know him personally. He's bright with multiple advanced degrees in different fields. Dan has/had a need for a time before he was accepted into a doctoral program to be a little obscure about who he was online. Not an uncommon practice for academics or aspiring academics given that we live in the age of Google and that hiring and departmental committees usually include a couple of vindictive wack jobs. He's not alone in that; presumably "JeffC" is neither your full Christian name nor your c.v.

    About the worst that can be said of Dan is that, at times, he posts things simply to get a rise out of ppl and keeps yanking their chain past the point where he should fess up that he wasn't being entirely serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenpundit View Post
    About the worst that can be said of Dan is that, at times, he posts things simply to get a rise out of ppl and keeps yanking their chain past the point where he should fess up that he wasn't being entirely serious.
    Who would do something like that? And, don't forget I owe you that cup of coffee.
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    Default On the topic of "take it for granite"...

    I had to add...

    Years ago, at 17, I believed the expression to be, "It's a doggy dog world"...my girlfriend at the time had to correct me...

    The "take it for granite" comment had me howling with laughter if only because my kids have proved to me that how you hear/understand it is how you spout it....

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    [QUOTE=zenpundit;36759]JeffC wrote:



    Jeff,

    There's nothing creepy about Dan, he's a good guy - and I know him personally. He's bright with multiple advanced degrees in different fields. Dan has/had a need for a time before he was accepted into a doctoral program to be a little obscure about who he was online. Not an uncommon practice for academics or aspiring academics given that we live in the age of Google and that hiring and departmental committees usually include a couple of vindictive wack jobs. He's not alone in that; presumably "JeffC" is neither your full Christian name nor your c.v.

    I didn't call Dan creepy. I don't know him well enough to say. What I said was that his writing has a creepy feel to it. Clearly, YMMV. Regarding JeffC, that's just a shorthand version of my name, Jeff Carr, which is easily discovered at my blog, the link to which is in my profile.

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    [QUOTE=JeffC;36793]
    Quote Originally Posted by zenpundit View Post
    JeffC wrote:



    Jeff,




    I didn't call Dan creepy. I don't know him well enough to say. What I said was that his writing has a creepy feel to it. Clearly, YMMV. Regarding JeffC, that's just a shorthand version of my name, Jeff Carr, which is easily discovered at my blog, the link to which is in my profile.
    YMMV?? This is like trying to watch my teenage daughters text message.

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    [QUOTE=SteveMetz;36795]
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffC View Post

    YMMV?? This is like trying to watch my teenage daughters text message.
    YMMV = "Your Milleage May Vary"

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    Default I didn't understand the acronym either -LOL!

    Hi Jeff

    Well-focused blog on your part. Nice.

    Aesthetic opinions are usually a matter of taste and I'll leave it to that.

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    Default Hey Selil

    Coffee would be good; You mentioned that you were north of me - near or far ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenpundit View Post
    Coffee would be good; You mentioned that you were north of me - near or far ?
    I'm at Purdue Calumet in Hammond, Live about 20 miles east.
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    Hammond? I drive past that dump - er, town - every year on my way between Ithaca and Chicago. My profound sympathies.

    As far as this post, I'll tread as lightly as I can because I know I'm a pretty liberal guy wandering through a forest of traditional conservatives/Republicans - and if you can't stand bad metaphors and rhetoric, you should probably stop reading now - but I just want to say this idea of MoveOn somehow trying to overthrow traditional values or practicing subversion of any kind is really kind of painful to read.

    MoveOn may be extreme in their techniques (the Petraeus ad obviously was a pretty low point) but agenda-wise, it's difficult to consider them radical when they were clamoring for the end of a war that, just a few short months ago, was strongly opposed by 50% or more of the country. Their social and economic agenda, while liberal, is hardly "socialist" and anything smacking of a "leftist" conspiracy is so unbelievably outrageous that I have a hard time believing you're serious. Especially considering that liberals in the US are not nearly as liberal as left parties in European states and Canada, let alone anything approaching "Stalinism."

    And yes, there are plenty of far-left campus radicals. But the people I interact with more on my campus - I know, poor choice of friends - are more likely to be near-racist anti-Muslims who support this war and any war, while being conspicuously unwilling to fight in it (or even pay higher taxes for it.)

    Extremism is in the eye of the beholder, and it definitely goes both ways.

    I am sorry if that seems to be personal in any way, I'm done with this whole thing - no arguments from me. I just felt something was missing here that needed to be said.

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    To everyone:

    As I bleeding-heart, San Francisco mega-lefty, let me officially deny that we have a vast international conspiracy.

    To other lefties on the forum:

    Ethay ickenchay owsknay aboutway ethay ovenway. Iway epeatray. Ethay ickenchay owsknay aboutway ethay ovenway. Informway Echay immediatelyway!
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