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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    Slap,

    I disagree with your interpretation of Gray's paper, which by the way is focused on air power (which he mentioned as a caveat to the readers). He repeatedly states that he doesn't understand the continued debate within the U.S. military over land and air power, since both are essential. His central argument in this paper and others is that the U.S. lacks a strategy to unify all its warfighting tools.

    I will argue the debate almost solely arises from a few narrow minded officers in the Air Force like COL (R) Warden, who speak more as a company man, than as a warrior who understands warfighting. Senior U.S. officers in theory are supposed to be joint, not parachocial. They are supposed to demonstrate professional maturity and have the higher interest of their country in mind versus the interests of their service.
    I have to say that this is what I take from the paper, I have now read. It is a pure Gray classic.
    In Israel there simply is no "Airpower debate". Freedom to employ the air environment is just accepted as something you have to have or have to get, or have to deny the enemy. That is not say there are not very active debates as to the best way to achieve certain things, but the need for airpower is just accepted by everyone that I talk to.
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    Hi, my name is Bob, and I am a strategist.

    At least I try to be, guilty as charged. But with that said, I do not buy into the conventional wisdom on what strategy is or is not; or who does it or who does not.

    It's just not that simple. When I showed up at the Army War College they said essentially: "Congratulations with 20 years under your belt we will now teach you to be strategic." This mindset reinforces the idea that strategy is something associated with a particular rank, or level of command, and certainly looked at in a purely procedural perspective that is true.

    I look at it differently (ok, no big surprise there, I get it...). But to me strategy is not a level of command perspective, a vague statement so generic as to be virtually worthless that Colonels write, Generals approve, and virtually no one reads. To me that is nearly as mindless as it is worthless.

    For me strategy is a level of understanding. Once that strategic level of understanding is achieved it is then something of value to everyone in the chain of command, from the Chairman down to the Squad Leader that helps them put their actions into perspective and execute them in a way so as to achieve the best possible effect. Have I achieved the strategic solution to populace-based conflict? No, but it is my quest. I am confident that I am heading in the right direction, and I believe that I am very close, but it is a continuous process with daily refinements as new or old information tests and either validates or invalidates the strategic concepts.

    Is this somehow the sacred territory of just elected officials? God help us if it is. No, everyone involved in this from top to bottom as a duty to think, to ponder, to question, to seek understanding. Certainly also to do our mission as assigned.

    I picture that cliché' scene in every movie on organized crime were the big boss smacks some underling while declaring "I don't pay you to think!" Many Regular officers may very well feel those same intellectual shackles as well. That's sad where true. Because we do get paid to think, and you don't have to wait until you get to the War College to get started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob's World View Post
    Hi, my name is Bob, and I am a strategist.
    Hi Bob! My name is Wilf and I'm not a strategist, and even if I was I could give up anytime. I just choose not to...
    ....helps them put their actions into perspective and execute them in a way so as to achieve the best possible effect. Have I achieved the strategic solution to populace-based conflict? No, but it is my quest. I am confident that I am heading in the right direction, and I believe that I am very close, but it is a continuous process with daily refinements as new or old information tests and either validates or invalidates the strategic concepts.

    Is this somehow the sacred territory of just elected officials?
    Strategy to me is the practical conduct/expression of your foreign policy. The military makes a contribution to it, but it is essentially political, and also the product of political belief. The specifics of your strategy created from your personal political and moral beliefs. It's not a rational business.

    - so telling Soldiers to "think strategically" is essentially flawed. Teaching them how military power can be applied to achieve any given strategy does make sense

    Thus Military thought and science generally limits itself to the how military force serves policy, not makes it.
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    Default Yes but I think you two are inadvertently talking past each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    ...so telling Soldiers to "think strategically" is essentially flawed. Teaching them how military power can be applied to achieve any given strategy does make sense

    Thus Military thought and science generally limits itself to the how military force serves policy, not makes it.
    I agree that Bob's World continually sallies into the political realm (the SO community does that quite often, I think it's it's probably genetic -- and one reason I left that commune... ) and that you're correct on the division of effort. Strategy is a politically determined course; the Soldats can but propose and the Pols will dispose.

    A 'strategy' is, as you say, merely a potential route -- not the goal -- to achieve a policy.

    However, one of the assumed or presumed roles of the SO community is the influencing of 'earts and moinds so my sensing is that he knows you're correct but cannot cease proselyting to get the silly-villyun politicians to adhere to sensible 'strategies.' An idea with which I truly can wish him success.

    My disagreement, if it is such, with Bob is that I'm convinced he's wasting his time because their concern (the majority at any rate) is now and forever will be reelection, not strategerizing...

    I'm incredibly lazy; I hate to see good effort by smart people go for naught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    A 'strategy' is, as you say, merely a potential route -- not the goal -- to achieve a policy.
    How about this....Strategy is how you make the enemies power irrelevant to you accomplishing your objective.

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    Isn't 'strategy' to do with the context[B[/B] of the issue, rather than its relative merits?

    Therefore, a Platoon Commander thinking hard about how to destroy a Dushka firing from a compound is dealing with a fundamentally tactical problem. If he calls in a 2000lb-er on it, and the compound is full of civilians, there will be strategic implications, because Karzai will complain, and ISAF will cede more support/tolerance from the population. But the problem itself is a tactical one.

    Whereas if we're trying to secure energy supplies for the next 20 years, this is a strategic issue. The choice between building a nuclear power station, or drilling for more North Sea Oil is perhaps a tactical one - but again both have 'strategic' implications in terms on industrial bases, environmental impact etc.

    Therefore the strategic issue of dealing with a global islamist insurgency is clearly a strategic one, especially when mapped onto the risk of WMD proliferation and the increased porousness and vulnerability of an interconnected world.

    Somewhere, leaders need to provide the intellectual clarity to lay down clearly how and where we will fight, for what ends, and in so doing identify which issues are reconcilable (ie - we accept scope for dialogue because an insurgent has some legitmate grievance)...and where we say, 'f*** you' - its not happening - the committed irreconcilable - whether thats a nuclear Iran (clock ticking), a nuclear NK (too late!) or AQ.

    General Rupert Smith observed at a v good lecture at Kings College London that the UK had not had anythintg that remotely resembled a coherent national strategy, in terms of a vision for the role of the country, international objectives, and a foreign policy to achieve them and nest military efforts. Hard to diagree.

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    Coldstreamer me old mate,

    From ADP LAND OPERATIONS Page 4-5

    “… to determine the aim, which is or should be inherently political; to derive from that aim a series of military objectives to be achieved: to assess these objectives as to the military requirements they create, and the pre-conditions which the achievement of each is likely to necessitate: to measure available and potential resources against the requirements and to chart from this process a coherent pattern of priorities and a rational course of action.”
    THIS IS UK DOCTRINE!
    So, a goofed tactical action - bombing a UN kindergarten - is only a goof if it creates lasting and decisive political effects.
    So you can't have a "Strategic Corporal" because Corporals cannot achieve lasting decisive political effects.
    So not resourcing the formation is A'Stan is actually de-facto strategic failure.
    Help any?
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    - If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
    Sir Gerald Templer, foreword to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition

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    Quoth Slap:
    "...Strategy is how you make the enemies power irrelevant to you accomplishing your objective."
    Practically and semantically, I agree and think most would do so. In the politico-military context though, the issue become who decides the "how." Many moons ago, Lincoln gave Grant the authority to make those decisions; from then forward, however, that has not been the case. In the last 100 plus years in ALL western democracies, the politicians have been very firm in retaining control over the "how" decisions. I doubt that will change and as Coldstreamer says:
    "Somewhere, leaders need to provide the intellectual clarity to lay down clearly how and where we will fight, for what ends...
    I agree but history and indications lead me to believe that the Politicians don't know enough, generally do not want to listen to the advice of non-politicians and are prone to make decisions based on domestic political concerns rather than the true geo-political or strategic issues at hand. So I think that's unlikely to change.
    General Rupert Smith observed at a v good lecture at Kings College London that the UK had not had anythintg that remotely resembled a coherent national strategy, in terms of a vision for the role of the country, international objectives, and a foreign policy to achieve them and nest military efforts. Hard to diagree.
    Rupert's a smart guy, fair book. He's too nice -- I'd say the European hearth nations as a whole have that problem. Penalty of a democratic approach to government. Generally, for most of us, the merits outweigh the obvious disadvantages. Democracies don't do strategy very well; they can do policies though -- but they tend to change after elections. Sigh.

    Wilf may be right about Strategic Corporals -- but I was once a Sensuous Sergeant. It's all about the means to the end desired..

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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Coldstreamer me old mate,

    From ADP LAND OPERATIONS Page 4-5


    THIS IS UK DOCTRINE!
    So, a goofed tactical action - bombing a UN kindergarten - is only a goof if it creates lasting and decisive political effects.
    So you can't have a "Strategic Corporal" because Corporals cannot achieve lasting decisive political effects.
    So not resourcing the formation is A'Stan is actually de-facto strategic failure.
    Help any?
    Brother,

    As most of the time, violently agreeing. I was taking issue more with some of the other comments. My bad for being less than clear.
    However, with the compressed 24/7 news cycle, the interweb and all the other issues we see, could we not say Lyndie England (poor sap/poorly led) was a strategic PFC? Lasting political damage? Worldwide perception impact? Big hit to moral high ground?

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