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    Do you want to focus on military operations in foreign insurgencies, or COIN?

    Movies like Ghandi or Malcolm X off the top of my head might help your crew to step back and expand their perspectives a bit. This is all about populaces under a governance they find intolerable, illegitimate, or both; who also have no legal means of redress to ragain or gain control of, or even shape their governance; so they resort to violence.

    The military aspect is usually one of pipehitter for that government. Much like the goons who would be set upon workers attempting to unionize a century ago in the states.
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    I suggest taking a look at "Broken Arrow" the one from 1950 with Jimmy Stewart. If you ignore the Hollywood insurance policy romance and one or two slightly too noble savages, it was pretty good. It had a lot to say about knowing the enemy, knowing why he was the enemy and showing him due respect. I think there is a lot from the conflicts with the Apaches that could be applicable to things today.
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    Default F Troop?

    Or, slightly more seriously, The Odd Angry Shot.

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    Thomas Rid at KOW: Great Films on Small Wars

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    Great Films on Small Wars - Thomas Rid, Kings of War.

    Here is our list of 20 outstanding movies on political violence, insurgency, and counterinsurgency - small wars, somewhat liberally defined. This selection has been included as “recommended viewings” in a forthcoming textbook, Understanding Counterinsurgency - with a permalink to this post and of course a note of acknowledgement to the fine readers of this blog...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptamas View Post
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    Default The brooklyn connection

    http://www.pbs.org/pov/thebrooklynconnection/

    Have any of you screened this film?

    Quite interesting though it has a distinguishable political spin on it.

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    Thumbs up Robin Hood

    I have only seen previews but the new "Robin Hood" movie with Russell Crow.

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    Default The Intimate Enemy / Michael Collins

    The Intimate Enemy is a French film (DVD zone 2) which is basically the French version of Platoon in Algeria it has englich subtitles and is a very well thought out and put together film.

    Michael Collins with Liam Neilson is also a good one as well.

    If you are looking for a good documentary on Algeria all in french with no sub title unfortunately it is called La Guerre Sans Nam The war with no name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabers8th View Post
    The Intimate Enemy is a French film (DVD zone 2) which is basically the French version of Platoon in Algeria it has englich subtitles and is a very well thought out and put together film.

    Michael Collins with Liam Neilson is also a good one as well.

    If you are looking for a good documentary on Algeria all in french with no sub title unfortunately it is called La Guerre Sans Nam The war with no name.

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    Sorry, do you mean la guerre sans nom?
    I could not resist to make the orthograph correction

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    Default Coorection

    Yes you are correct unfortunately I cant type and spell at the same time... LOL

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    Default The 7TH Dawn

    Starring William Holden. This was on Turner Movie Classics last week. Deals with an American Rubber Plantation owner in Malaya during the British response to the Insurgency. Does not portray the UK handling of the situation in a terribly good light in the movie. Fantastic scene of what happens when you destroy a village as part of a pacification effort.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057813/


    short you tube clip from the beginning of the movie.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRZiO...eature=related
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    Default WW2 Belorussian partisans

    Something different, I think I've seen the film and IIRC it is graphic. It is on show next week @ Oxford University CCW and from their email notice:
    Come and See; a 1985 film by Russian director Elem Klimov, based on a semi-autobiographical script by Ales Adamovich who fought with the Belorussian partisans against the Germans in the Second World War. Produced to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Soviet victory, and during the slow transition between the Brezhnev and Gorbachev eras of the USSR, there is an undoubted element of revenge fantasy and Soviet propaganda about the film. The frightening thing therefore is how accurate it actually is.
    The film has often topped lists of great war films. It also often appears in lists of horror films. It is not easy viewing, described by Roger Ebert as "one of the most devastating films ever about anything".
    See:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/
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    Default In Russian, English Subtitles


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    Take a look at "Amigo" from 2010. It's about the US effort in the Philippines around 1899-1901. Saw it on Netflix but I don't think it's there now.

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    Default Hollywood onCOIN and nation-building during the Vietnam War

    From the UK Defence in Depth blogsite a summary of an article in Small Wars & Insurgencies, as it is film and not a book it fits here (there is a thread on Vietnam War books). It opens with:
    In a recent article in a special issue of Small Wars & Insurgencies, we considered the contribution Hollywood has made to our understanding of counterinsurgency and nation-building during the Vietnam War. The war has been the subject of so many blockbuster films that it is inevitable that they play a leading role in shaping perceptions of the conflict. Students who have never lifted up a copy of classic Vietnam books such as Jeffrey Race’s War Comes to Long An or Neil Sheehan’s A Bright Shining Lie can be sure to have sat through Platoon or Apocalypse Now. But are these films educational as well as entertaining?
    In considering this question, we split films on the Vietnam War into three broad chronological categories. The first are those dealing with the earliest period of US involvement, when the focus was on CIA-led ‘political action’. The second is the advisory period, when US forces began to be deployed to advise and support the South Vietnamese military. Finally, we looked at films that deal with the full ferocity of the Americanized war of post-1965. Put another way, the films we looked at have three main groups of protagonists – spies, advisors, and grunts.
    Link:http://defenceindepth.co/2015/11/02/...ng-in-vietnam/
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