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    Default Interesting in that violence in Chicago is skyrocketing this summer....

    and they have a lot of interaction with work done in Iraq.

    http://www.mnfwest.usmc.mil/public/i...2572A90047CB50

    http://chicagocopwatch.org/2009/02/m...s-fight-crime/

    I had a friend who deployed with the Marine bn that is local to Chicago around '04 and '05 south of Baghdad, and I remember a spate of articles on their deployment that associated their anti-gang work with how they would approach their work in Iraq. Here is a NY Times article on them and that deployment: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all

    So its doubling interesting that violence has soared this year. Obviously there are many, many factors that lead to that, but still interesting.

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    There was a lot more death in the late 80's and early 90's. More of those shot are surviving. Some are shot intentionally to wound. There is a lot more violence directed towards the police.

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    Default Chicago Lawmakers: Bring in the National Guard

    2 Chicago state reps: Bring in the National Guard, ChicagoBreakingNews.com, April 25, 2010.
    Two state representatives called on Gov. Pat Quinn Sunday to deploy the Illinois National Guard to safeguard Chicago's streets.

    Chicago Democrats John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford said they want Quinn, Mayor Richard Daley and Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis to allow guardsmen to patrol streets and help quell violence. Weis said he did not support the idea because the military and police operate under different rules.
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    So far this year, 113 people have been killed across Chicago, the same number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in the same period, Fritchey said.
    Is there an ongoing gang war in Chicago? I was under the impression that violent crime was down in the city, and had migrated to Northern Indiana.

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    Second city cop is one of my favorite blogs.

    Regarding recent violent crime in Chicago, see the video in this recent post.

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    Angry What The Cops Need To Do

    Quote Originally Posted by bourbon View Post
    2 Chicago state reps: Bring in the National Guard, ChicagoBreakingNews.com, April 25, 2010.

    Is there an ongoing gang war in Chicago? I was under the impression that violent crime was down in the city, and had migrated to Northern Indiana.
    The state reps are looking for publicity and job number one- getting rre-elected. But the Police need to take a no nonsense "Broken Windows" approach. Enforce the little things, jaywalking, code violations, or as our Captains used to say at Roll Call "make life unconfortable for them." If you run the kids off the corner at 8pm, you dont have to go back there at midnight after they've been drinking or drugging and have to deal with a shooting or stabbing. You dont have to be cruel, just enforce the law. You hit them with the little things and you avoid the big things. When they disregrd the summonses, you get default warrants and when you execute an arrest warrant when he is in a car or on the street, one never knows what you will find.

    Plus Police commanders need to be held accountable. Are their men and women producing? Introduce Comstat and hold Superiors accountable. I can tell you both as a police officer and FBI Agent, supervisors were never held accountable, it was the officer's fault or the agent's fault but never the supervisors.

    Police have to be constantly reminded that as Police officers, whenever ther is a confrontation resulting an court action, you never loose. The worst that can happen to you is a tie. Think about it. He has to interrupt his routine to be in court, for a police officer it's a payday and in some cases involving overtime, a lucrative payday. He has to hire a lawyer, you don't. So you hurt him with a loss of time and money.
    "It's the little things in life that trip you up." as my old Sergeant used to say.

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    While there's @ 500 PR NG on the streets "fighting crime" now, the Chicago suggestion is pure political grandstanding.
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    Secondcitycop is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperpitbull View Post
    The state reps are looking for publicity and job number one- getting rre-elected. But the Police need to take a no nonsense "Broken Windows" approach. Enforce the little things, jaywalking, code violations, or as our Captains used to say at Roll Call "make life unconfortable for them." If you run the kids off the corner at 8pm, you dont have to go back there at midnight after they've been drinking or drugging and have to deal with a shooting or stabbing. You dont have to be cruel, just enforce the law. You hit them with the little things and you avoid the big things. When they disregrd the summonses, you get default warrants and when you execute an arrest warrant when he is in a car or on the street, one never knows what you will find.

    Plus Police commanders need to be held accountable. Are their men and women producing? Introduce Comstat and hold Superiors accountable. I can tell you both as a police officer and FBI Agent, supervisors were never held accountable, it was the officer's fault or the agent's fault but never the supervisors.

    Police have to be constantly reminded that as Police officers, whenever ther is a confrontation resulting an court action, you never loose. The worst that can happen to you is a tie. Think about it. He has to interrupt his routine to be in court, for a police officer it's a payday and in some cases involving overtime, a lucrative payday. He has to hire a lawyer, you don't. So you hurt him with a loss of time and money.
    "It's the little things in life that trip you up." as my old Sergeant used to say.
    We have had a version of Compstat for years. We also have courts that consider enforcement of broken windows theory arrests to be Police harassment. Chicago Officers have been in Federal Court facing civil charges of violating civil rights. In my experiences the truth means nothing in Federal Court.

    Our State's Attorney's office has to approve felony charges except in the cases of drug offenses. Felony charges are usually not approved. Even in cases of battery on a police officer unless there are serious injuries sustained by the officer felony charges will not be approved. Offenses committed outside of Cook County will often result in felony convictions that would not even go to felony court in Cook County.

    An arrest situation can result in the death of an officer, time spent in Federal Court answering civil rights charges, injury, or prison for the officer. If you want to feel betrayed by your country be a cop in Federal Court.

    The vast majority of shootings I have encountered involved players who would still be in prison if they served their full sentences after conviction.

    We do not lack the physical and moral courage to do our jobs. The entire system is dysfunctional.

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    8 people were killed and at least 44 more were shot this past weekend in war-stricken Afgha....oh wait, it was in Chicago*
    http://www.wbbm780.com/Bloody-weeken...0-shot/7514229

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamG View Post
    8 people were killed and at least 44 more were shot this past weekend in war-stricken Afgha....oh wait, it was in Chicago*
    http://www.wbbm780.com/Bloody-weeken...0-shot/7514229

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    Rough place.

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    Along the same lines :

    Chester Mayor Wendell Butler, Jr. says “enough is enough” as he proclaimed a State Of Emergency on Saturday night. Tonight is day three of Chester city’s State of Emergency. It is set to run until Thursday morning.
    http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/...e-of-emergency

    See also
    http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...7545705322.txt
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    Former Chicago police Superintendent on the death of a uniformed officer killed during a carjacking attempt: "I think what you're seeing is that the gangbangers have lost their fear of the police, and that's not a good thing"
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...2059109.column
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    Default Terror in Chicago's South Side

    Things must be bad if a UK paper is reporting on crime in Chicago, although I concede it maybe a spin-off from being close to the Obama's home:
    Terrorised Chicago residents plead for police crackdown as gang war murders soar...Residents of the mainly black South Side want stop-and-search tactics brought back as gang murders plague President Barack Obama's home city.
    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ders-soar.html

    Curious that the residents reportedly support the return of 'stop & frisk" by specialist anti-gang units, whilst the city is embarking on alternative approaches that take time to have an impact.
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    Default An Insurgency Coming to a Place Near You?

    Yes, Chicago, USA. A very pessimistic commentary by Zenpundit, which opens with:
    Mayor Rahm Emanuel has taken criticism for Chicago’s skyrocketing homicide rate which stands this year at a shocking 19.4 per 100,000 residents. This is roughly triple the murder rate in New York City, is worse than in perennially crime-ridden Oakland and is within shouting distance of war-torn Afghanistan and Mexico, which are fighting vicious insurgencies. Even for Chicago, the current level of street violence is unusually brazen.
    Link:http://zenpundit.com/?p=14961

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    The city may be nearly 2,000 miles from Mexico, but the country’s drug cartels are so deeply embedded in Chicago that local and federal law enforcement are forced to operate as if they are “on the border,” according to Jack Riley, special agent in charge for the Chicago Field Division of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).
    Link:http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dea-...n-the-border/#
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    Note the editorialized headlines' juxtaposition with the Police leaderships' hopeful proclamation.

    Chicago murders tie 2011 -- with 2 months to go
    October 29, 2012 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- On Monday morning, the city of Chicago recorded the 435th murder of 2012. Most of murders are gang-related, police say, and they believe the strategies the city has in place are working and will lead to a decline.
    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=8864931
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    Second City Cop is always a good read when it comes to Chicago and its crime woes.

    Link:http://secondcitycop.blogspot.co.uk/
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    Default Is Chicago on the Road to Becoming an American Ciudad Juárez?

    Is Chicago on the Road to Becoming an American Ciudad Juárez?

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    What will America's cities look like, if the Cartels bring their war North of the border?

    Members of Mexico’s most powerful cartel are selling a record amount of heroin and methamphetamine from Little Village, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration. From there, the drugs are moving onto the streets of south and west Chicago, where they are sold in assembly-line fashion in mostly African American neighborhoods.

    “Chicago, with 100,000 gang members to put the dope on the street, is a logistical winner for the Sinaloa cartel,” Jack Riley, the DEA’s special agent in charge of the Chicago field division, said after a tour through Little Village. “We have to operate now as if we’re on the Mexican border.”

    It’s not just Chicago. Increasingly, as drug cartels have amassed more control and influence in Mexico, they have extended their reach deeper into the United States, establishing inroads across the Midwest and Southeast, according to American counternarcotics officials. An extensive distribution network supplies regions across the country, relying largely on regional hubs like this city, with ready markets off busy interstate highways.
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    Default Cartles come north, what will happen?

    AdamG's last post cites a WaPo story that is a version of another report published in October. Chicago is not the only city named as under threat and I'm unsure what will happen.

    Typo - I meant cartels in the title, long day.
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    All of CPD's directives are publicly available on the 'net. Submitted for your review:

    The CPD's Gang Violence Reduction Strategy -
    http://directives.chicagopolice.org/....html?ownapi=1

    The links analysis used is based on the research and theory of violent crime spreading proposed by Dr Andrew Papachristos -
    http://papachristos.org/Publications...orked_crim.pdf

    "I created a ““two-degree”” network. The ““1 rst degree”” entailed extracting all known associates with whom avictim had been arrested during this time period. The simple assumption is that if two individuals are arrested together, they are likely to have some ““association”” or friendship. Thus, a tie exists when two (or more) individuals have been arrested together. The ““two-degree”” network emerges by repeating the 1 rst step for all of the associates of those from the 1 rst-degree networks. This two-step process reveals the network structure in Figure 5.7, which began with 119 homicide victims and grew to a total number of 1,638 individuals——less than 2 percent of the total population in these neighborhoods."

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