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    Default Chicago "drinking from a firehose"

    Chicago police face overwhelming gun crime as 45 people shot over weekend; Police officials point to need for stricter gun laws after city suffers bloody Easter weekend in which nine people were killed
    Link:http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ce-nine-killed
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    Default Moderator at work

    This thread was closed in 2014, it then had 40 posts and 14k views. It has now been re-opened in view of recent developments.
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    Default Spike in crime; morale slides: not good signs

    Policing in Chicago has come to the attention of The Economist with a long article on the current position and the start of reforms:http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ..._police_force_

    A couple of sentences illustrate CPD's problems:
    The last six months has been one of the worst periods in the CPD’s history....The number of people shot in Chicago so far this year passed 1,000 this week, six to nine weeks earlier than in the previous four years, according the Chicago Tribune. Murders rose 64% in the period from January 1st to April 17th. If current trends continue, as seems likely, Chicago’s murder rate will reach around 570 by the end of the year, up from 468 last year and 416 in 2014....One of the reasons for the spike in shootings and murders is the low morale of CPD officers. Many feel that they are doing a tough, unpopular job.
    Thanks to a Chicago "lurker" for this graphic, which sadly says far more on the crime rate:http://heyjackass.com/#st_refDomain=...ery=/appsuite/
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    A lengthy Time article, with the oddity of CPD being seen as a 'laboratory' when reality was hellish:
    Just a few months ago, the Chicago police department was regarded as America's laboratory of police science
    Link:http://time.com/chicago-police-3/?xid=tcoshare

    Curiously one cited witness features as a CPD officer who by mistake kills the wrong citizen.
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    Default This might have an impact too

    From a tweet by Brookings, which might just explain Chicago's problem, or those parts where murders are all too regular:
    If you shoot someone in Chicago, you have a 91% chance of getting away with it.
    There maybe more in this report, which offers solutions to youth crime there:http://www.brookings.edu/research/po...1US0001-070602
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    Sunday, August 28, 2016 08:34AM


    CHICAGO -- Seven people were killed and at least 38 more have been wounded in shootings across Chicago since Friday, police said.
    http://abc7chicago.com/news/7-dead-3...tings/1488222/

    For current 2016 stats, see http://heyjackass.com/

    To whit -
    Year to Date
    Shot & Killed: 435
    Shot & Wounded: 2401
    Total Shot: 2836
    Total Homicides: 483
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    Default The Chicago Perspective

    I couldn't help myself after seeing the following article.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ch...-idUSKBN14G1MJ

    Holiday weekend provides no respite from Chicago's violence

    From Dec. 23 through Dec. 26, there were 44 shooting incidents in the city of 2.7 million and 12 people were killed, according to the Chicago Police Department. The number of murders in Chicago stands at 754 for the year.
    I Googled Iraq's population, in 2013 it was 33.42 million, which divided by Chicago's population = 12.38 multiply that by the number murdered in Chicago (so far this year), and that equals to 9,334.5 murders in Iraq. Iraq may have that many people killed this year (maybe not), but they're at war.

    Clearly, eight years of a Democratic President, and unknown years of a Democratic Mayor has done little for Chicago. I hope President elect is serious about addressing the problems in our inner cities. We spend more money on Egypt than we do addressing our problems at home.

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    Default 'American carnage': Is Trump's bleak vision of the States justified?

    Added here even if the focus is not Chicago, but the wider issue of murder in the USA.

    The BBC's report does mention Chicago:
    In Chicago, murders rose sharply last year, with more than 760 last year compared with 473 the year before. Up to then, there had been a steady fall in the number of murders since a peak of the early 70s.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38911708

    The Economist has been number crunching the figures for fifty cities producing some good charts. An interesting point made:
    Newark, just ten miles from New York City, has a murder rate nine times higher. And unlike New York, where homicides have fallen 85% from their peak in 1990, in Newark they have barely budged. Much of that difference can be explained by demography, deprivation and policing.
    Link:http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph.../daily-chart-3
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    Default United States Gang Violence

    By Patrick Burke at War is Boring:

    Chicago’s Gang Wars Have Become Battles of Attrition
    https://warisboring.com/chicagos-gan...-of-attrition/

    When you analyze the data for American American homicides (as perpetrators and victims), and compare it to the Northern Ireland conflict, you can see that the number of homicides per capita per year is roughly 3X for the former. African Americans effectively live in low-level war zones on average.

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    Azor,

    I see that the linked report also refers to Baltimore and today the BBC News website has a four minute video on one young black teenager dying there. It refers to one hundred homicides so far in 2017.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-u...ck-gunned-down

    Horrible to learn the violence in such cities is higher than many other overseas conflicts.
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    Default Moderator at work

    This thread's title from 2008 was Gonna be a hot summer in Chicago and has remained active.

    The title has been changed to Chicago & Policing; the city's problems have not changed and its not just the summer alas either when deaths occur.
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    Default Chicago goes high-tech in search of answers to gun crime surge

    A detailed BBC article on CPD's use of technology, not 'big data' and with civilian analysts drafted in. It has several graphics.

    This passage puzzles me, as surely this is the standard method of post-event investigation:
    Using a piece of predictive software called HunchLab, they translate the data into "missions", which can involve anything from talking to local business owners in certain areas to watching certain surveillance feeds at certain times.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40293666
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    If you want statistics for Chicago, I suggest the following hyperlink

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    Adam G,

    Good catch that website; even mixes facts you didn't know or want to.

    The main thread on Chicago, which is open and has 35k views will have this smaller thread (5.2k views) merged in:Chicago & Policing (new title)
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Good catch that website; even mixes facts you didn't know or want to.
    People in the thick of it can be the best sources of unvarnished Truths.
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    Default "Windy City" and the murder rate

    From what I think is an obscure website https://www.zerohedge.com an article 'One-Third Of The 2016 Spike In U.S. Homicides Came From Just 5 Chicago Neighborhoods', which strikes me as rather polemical, here is an example:
    All the anti-cop self-righteousness in the world won’t save one victim from gang violence.
    Link:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...-neighborhoods

    The article refers to the original work from a more typical in appearance news story, which is full of statistics:https://www.dailywire.com/news/25092...w-jared-sichel

    Yes the recommended local website watching the mayhem is still going:http://heyjackass.com/
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    Default NYC -v- Chicago -v- Baltimore

    Within an article on NYPD's use of "stop & frisk" there is this passage:
    As of December 27, New York City saw 286 homicides in 2017, down 12 percent from the previous year, itself a near-record low. That is a rate of about 3 per 100,000 population. By contrast, Chicago’s homicide rate for 2017 was about 24 per 100,000. The figure for Baltimore is about 56. There were more murder victims in Baltimore than in New York City in 2017, even though New York has nearly 14 times as many residents.
    Link:http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rvatives-wrong
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    Default The Critics of Proactive Policing Are Wrong

    A different viewpoint, this time with a focus on NYC, although Chicago does appear (maybe the thread needs a new title?). The sub-title being:
    Public order creates a virtuous circle that enables neighborhoods to flourish
    The author is not being "PC":
    The fact that should concern us all, and that should be at the forefront of discussions of crime and policing, is that blacks die of homicide at six times the rate of whites and most Hispanics combined.
    Link:https://www.city-journal.org/html/cr...ong-15625.html
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    What is PC is no one will discuss the fact that criminals killing each other is a form of crime control. And a very effective one.

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    Default Woah

    A high-ranking Chicago police officer died after he was shot Tuesday afternoon while assisting a tactical team responding to a robbery at the Thompson Center, sources said.
    The officer, identified as a commander, was shot a little before 2 p.m., according to chief Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. The officer was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital and has died, sources said.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...213-story.html

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