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    Prominent journalist and Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi was reportedly killed at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in what the paper's sources are calling "a preplanned murder." The Post said that neither source provided evidence to support this claim. Khashoggi, 59, was reported missing on Tuesday while visiting the consulate for paperwork needed to marry his Turkish fiancée. He was living in the U.S. for the past year in self-imposed exile following the ascension of Prince Mohammed
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/washin...der-paper-says
    Jamal Khashoggi was dragged from the consul general's office inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last Tuesday before he was brutally murdered by two men who cut up his body, sources close to the investigation have told Middle East Eye.

    Turkish officials say they know when and where in the building the veteran Saudi journalist was killed and are considering whether to dig up the consul-general's garden to see whether his remains are buried there.

    Khashoggi, 59, has been missing since last Tuesday when he entered the consulate to obtain paperwork so he could remarry, and has not been seen since.

    Saudi officials have strongly denied any involvement in his disappearance and say that he left the consulate soon after arriving. However they have not presented any evidence to corroborate their claim and say that video cameras at the consolate were not recording at the time.
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-1433170798
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    It took seven minutes for Jamal Khashoggi to die, a Turkish source who has listened in full to an audio recording of the Saudi journalist's last moments told Middle East Eye. Khashoggi was dragged from the Consul General’s office at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and onto the table of his study next door, the Turkish source said. Horrendous screams were then heard by a witness downstairs, the source said.

    "The consul himself was taken out of the room. There was no attempt to interrogate him. They had come to kill him,” the source told MEE.

    The screaming stopped when Khashoggi - who was last seen entering the Saudi consulate on 2 October - was injected with an as yet unknown substance.

    Salah Muhammad al-Tubaigy, who has been identified as the head of forensic evidence in the Saudi general security department, was one of the 15-member squad who arrived in Ankara earlier that day on a private jet. Tubaigy began to cut Khashoggi’s body up on a table in the study while he was still alive, the Turkish source said. The killing took seven minutes, the source said.

    As he started to dismember the body, Tubaigy put on earphones and listened to music. He advised other members of the squad to do the same. “When I do this job, I listen to music. You should do [that] too,” Tubaigy was recorded as saying, the source told MEE.

    A three-minute version of the audio tape has been given to Turkish newspaper Sabah, but they have yet to release it.
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/e...oggi-829291552
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    Default One man dies a furore follows, meantime most ignore the Yemen

    The current media and political furore over the suspected murder of Jamal Khashoggi inside Saudi diplomatic premises has taken on many dimensions, whilst ignoring many others. Notably the famine and deaths in the Yemen. Plus the actions of the Turkish government towards their own journalists.

    Might the murder actually have an impact on the Saudis and their waging war in the Yemen?
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    Default Will outsiders to the region now understand what governance means in MENA?

    A profound comment by Rami Khouri via Twitter:
    An important element of this episode is that normal, ordinary people around the world now understand how normal, ordinary Arabs have felt during the past 5 decades of authoritarian governments that treat their citizens like idiots or sheep, almost always with foreign support.
    His short bio:
    Senior Fellow & journalism professor, American Univ. of Beirut;syndicated columnist; nonresident senior fellow, Harvard Kennedy School.
    Needless to say the KSA explanation appears to be flawed and has been changed yet again.
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    Default Before Khashoggi there were three princes

    I missed this BBC News report in August 2017, it is fascinating reading and proves the KSA probably thought "We've done thsi before, who will care this time?". It opens with:
    Between 2015 and 2017, three Saudi princes living in Europe disappeared. All were critical of the Saudi government - and there is evidence that all were abducted and flown back to Saudi Arabia… where nothing further has been heard from them.
    There is an update:
    Update, October 2018: Two months after this story was published the former head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Turki al-Fasial, confirmed that all three missing princes were back in Saudi Arabia. Prince Khaled bin Farhan, meanwhile, says he has heard from sources inside the country that Prince Turki bin Bandar and Saud bin Saif al-Nasr have both been executed. This could not be independently confirmed.
    Link:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40926963
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    Default No more refueling of Saudi aircraft bombing Yemen

    Just what difference this announcement will make is unclear and citing Secretary Mattis:
    we support the decision by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, after consultations with the U.S. Government, to use the Coalition's own military capabilities to conduct inflight refueling in support of its operations in Yemen.
    Then KSA:
    The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and the member countries of the Coalition to Support legitimacy in Yemen, continually pursue improvements to military professionalism and self-sufficiency.....Recently the Kingdom and the Coalition has increased its capability to independently conduct inflight refueling in Yemen. As a result, in consultation with the United States, the Coalition has requested cessation of inflight refueling support for it's operations in Yemen.
    Link:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...fueling-982924

    Since few countries sell inflight refueling planes and systems I assume KSA has purchased what is needed. The 2017 'Military Balance' shows KSA has fifteen tankers, a mix of KC-130 and A330; whilst UAE has three A330.
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    Mujtahid, a respected Saudi social media voice, reported on the Al-Khaleej Online newspaper earlier this week that Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman had reshuffled military personnel and assets inside the kingdom in response to rumors that some members of the royal family may have been planning a coup against him.
    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Sa...-Threat-573214
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