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    Azor...you reflect much of what many do not fully understand about German law which is built on the principle of personal privacy/personal rights..actually head and shoulders above what Americans claim is a civil right and only American can/is providing those rights...due to that famous individual Hitler.... his SD and Gestapo........

    Even in serious espionage cases they are held to a strict standard of 180 days...and yes that even includes non Germans as the case they are driving must survive a court trial for any civilian..........that is why they refrain from surveillance until they have a firm idea of what they will see and or find...

    In the case of this attacker....they backed off from arresting him which they could have in theory done as a preventive measure but then his rights would have been violated because the Federal prosecutor would have had no case to present to the court.....in the US they would have simply arrested him....held him and then try to find evidence to charge him....here no one can be in fact charged unless there is solid evidence linking him or her to a specific criminal charge...again thank Hitler...when he is picked up the clock starts ticking for the prosecutor....

    Again this whole attack does not make sense.....he is filmed on a surveillance camera of being in front of a known Salafist mosques several hours after the attack but approaching no one...he is then filmed again EIGTH full hours after the attack ACTUALLY at the attack site.....thus indicating he has not fled Berlin and that is a fatal mistake on his part....as the 100K reward is bringing info hourly....THAT has never been done in any previous IS attack....return to the scene....and he has released nor statement or video...all Paris attacks had prerecorded attacker statements released after the attacks...

    Again his family is appealing to him stating you have brought shame on the entire family and Tunisia and indicating that if he committed the attack he alone must pay........

    You see the Salafist world in Berlin being totally quiet and not uttering a word out of fear of being associated to him instead of cheering him as a IS fighter as did IS.... you

    As I previously indicated the German security services know their bad apples as the arrest yesterday of two brothers that in fact were planning a Mall attack...the arrest of four in a Berlin apartment which the government has not said a single word on........

    My complaint is the countless comments coming from US..UK interviews claiming that the Germans "failed on this and or that" or he slipped through the cracks etc.....all the while not fully understanding the legal ramifications the Germans jump through to ensure the "rule of law".....and these comments coming from US and UK sources all the while both US/UK claiming to be the epicenters of the rule of law....

    While it is great to hear for the masses..."if he was so bad then why did they stop surveillance" ...without understanding what it takes to conduct manpower wise such a surveillance and with 550 known and identified bad apples that would require 14-15,000 surveillance personal and not even the US has that many...NOR does the US "know and track their own bad apples" as the repeated US homegrown attacks have shown us......

    No one seems to mention that simple fact......

    WHAT CrowBat mentioned to you recently....the German ability to raid in 200 locations at the exact same time when they forbid the Islamic religious group shows their ability to act in the face of "religious freedom" and protecting this civil society rule of law rights....has not been matched even by the US and UK...
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    BBC News reporting on this development, which has aspects not in the public domain:
    1. Berlin market attack suspect Anis Amri has been shot dead by police in Milan, prosecutors say
    2. Police say he was approached by officers during a routine patrol in the Sesto San Giovanni area on Friday
    3. German officials have confirmed Amri's fingerprints were found inside the truck used in Monday's attack

    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-38416137 and a little more on:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38415287
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    UPDATE....

    The attacker was identified in a video of the attack scene eight hours after the attack…..there is a main train station stop within a ten minute walk from where he was videoed……

    When he was stopped by a routine Carbineria person control point he opened fire……..he was carrying a rucksack with rail tickets inside….he first traveled to southern France and then via France to Milan……

    Rumored that the Italian Carbineria was doing routine stops in the area where he had previously lived before going to jail in Italy……

    Since he was being searched for across Europe surprised both the French did not check train passengers and the Italians checking on train arrivals in Milan which has one major exit point……

    Amri pledges allegiance to Baghdadi in selfie video:
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/246891...r-al-baghdadi/

    Appears this video was done after the attack which would confirm that he “joined” after the attack not before……this is reinforced by the fact that when IS released their claiming statement they did not name him...because they probably did not know who he was....

    Secondary info…..he was seen in front of a well known Salafist mosque here in Berlin but talking with no one…….rumors have it the Berlin Salafist scene basically avoided him as he was to aggressive…..so again supports the fact he was not “radicalized” before the attack…….he seemed to have floated along the edges of the Salafist scene....

    Another strange point….he elected to not go down shooting with Berlin police at the market after the attack and fled BUT chose to shot it out with the Italians….when he could have made a run for it....

    Another strange point …his fleeing to France…….six weeks ago a Bulgarian resident here in Berlin was caught on CCTV kicking a young woman in her back and down a flight of concrete steps breaking her arm….the police went on social media and TV showing his photo…he was arrested on a bus arriving in Berlin from southern France……

    There seems to be a southern France route known to local Berlin criminals….if they are fleeing Berlin…..and he was a common sight in those circles as he was dealing drugs at a number of the Berlin night scene locations......

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    1. Attacker video was made here in Berlin...a certain bridge in Alt Moabit during the daytime...from the weather in the background...was made day after the attack.....

    2. Italian police stopped him at 0300 on a routine stop in a town near Milan..(there is a Salafist mosque in that town but no indication that he was headed there) as he was acting suspiciously to the police patrol..when they stopped him and asked for papers he opened fire on them....

    3. Italians called him a "ghost" as he had no ID/travel documents on him...no cell phone ....just the train tickets in his rucksack

    4. he had come via the French Alps into Turin....where he spent three hours before traveling on to Milan.... no indication why he spent 3 hours waiting in Turin when he could have gone straight through to Milan....

    Northern Italy has a strong Salafist background.....how he got to the French town near the Italian border is not known at this time.....

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    This was spotted on a Polish truck in Austria, referring to Lukasz Urban, the hero lorry driver of the #BerlinAttack
    http://444.hu/2016/12/23/hos-lett-a-...l-kamionsofor#

    There is talk that the German government will award him the highest non military honors possible as his actions saved the lives of many more that night....and what the forensics are indicating.... he fought until shot in the head.....and diverted the truck at the last moment

    Online Crowdfunding drive to collection donations for this driver's family.....he left a wife and 17 year old son behind....German donations are surging this evening.....
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    There is actually something to this comment....more people die from other causes in a single day across the EU and in the US than killed in terror attacks....

    Example Berlin....34 bicyclists have been killed this year....20 killed crossing the street while having a green crossing light and not to mention how many killed and injured in auto accidents....

    The US & EU terrorist scare is a sheer media exaggeration. It is an insignificant cause of death.

    Maybe terrorist attacks shock us due to the suddenness and numbers killed and injured in a short period but in the grand scheme of things those numbers are far lower than other causes of death....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    This was spotted on a Polish truck in Austria, referring to Lukasz Urban, the hero lorry driver of the #BerlinAttack
    http://444.hu/2016/12/23/hos-lett-a-...l-kamionsofor#

    There is talk that the German government will award him the highest non military honors possible as his actions saved the lives of many more that night....and what the forensics are indicating.... he fought until shot in the head.....and diverted the truck at the last moment

    Online Crowdfunding drive to collection donations for this driver's family.....he left a wife and 17 year old son behind....German donations are surging this evening.....
    Poland's PM decided to give special pension to the family of hero Łukasz Urban.


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    LATEST UPDATE....

    1. There are some private comments ongoing that indicate that yes the attacker pledged allegiance to IS..BUT it occurred after the attack not before the attack and that is in fact a BIG difference.

    2. Attacker traveled the southern France route via Lyon...not picked up in supposedly heavy French rail controls and only now seen on biometric facial recognition replays of surveillance footage...from the main Lyon rail station.

    3. Still no answers to who he might have meet in Turin where he stopped for three hours instead of going straight through to Milan on the same train he arrived in Turin on...there was no need to get off in Turin...why he did is of interest.

    Appears the Polish truck driver based on the final German forensics report might have been killed long before the attack and thus did not interfere in the trucks' angle of attack as many thought he had...this is being reported today but not confirmed by German government side....this is also indicated in the GPS sensor report indicating someone tried to start truck at 1600 for over 20 minutes and failed to start it...then it started up again noraml this time at 1800....attack was at 2000.

    THIS might in fact have been a sudden decision attack against Germany in general under the smokescreen of IS.....an attack out of anger and frustration on the part of the attacker.

    The attacker had his asylum request rejected in July and had been notified of his impending deportation..after which he went underground...the German government could not formerly arrest him and place him in deportation arrest because Tunisia had not sent the required new passport recognizing him as being a Tunisian citizen ...those papers arrived after the attack thus signaling Tunisia was willing to accept his deportation back to Tunisia probably because he was wanted there as well....and would have been arrested upon arrival....

    SO did he simply lash out at the German and Tunisian governments and increased his image by claiming he was IS??????

    Many asylum seekers/immigrants are illegally in Germany and other EU countries just as they are in the US....and survive on being petty criminals as that attacker was doing and or working odd jobs for cash dodging Customs searches of those job sites...he had made a number of attempts at linking into the German Salafist scene but was never really able to...probably as they viewed him as being too aggressive in his behavior.......and or they viewed him as a "possible German security service plant".....as he was reported to be trying to hard to join...

    As I have indicated before this attack is not your "standard IS attack TTP".....
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