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    Default German police calls for public to submit footage of attack

    Appears the single shooter today in Munich might have been a far right shooter based on a conversation he had with a local who videoed the exchange....

    CONFIRMED
    Shooter shouted: "Ihr Scheissturken!" - "You ####ing Turks!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlnd3gqN61c

    Shooter shouted: "I'm German. I was born here. I was in stationary treatment."

    He spoke with a Munich dialect perfect German.....

    If not the far right then mentally unstable.....
    Impressive German Police use of Twitter in three languages........EU, FR, GM
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    Default German police calls for public to submit footage of attack

    Separate thread for maximum exposure.


    MUNICH -- German police on Saturday appealed to members of the public to submit video and picture evidence after a lone gunman – with dual German-Iranian citizenship – killed nine people and injured 16 others after opening fire near a fast-food restaurant and at a shopping center before killing himself.
    The attack was the third to target civilians in Europe in just over a week following a deadly assault in Nice that killed 84 people and a knife and ax rampage on a train in Bavaria that injured a group of Hong Kong tourists.

    The man, 18, has not been named and his motive is not clear. He sparked a manhunt with 2,300 security forces across Germany's third largest city Friday after shooting at passersby outside a McDonald's restaurant and later at the Olympia mall. A "pistol" was used carry out the assault, police said.
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    German authorities carry out 13 simultaneous counterterrorism raids across five statesGerman police have simultaneously raided a dozen apartments and a refugee center across five states, police in Thuringia have announced. Authorities say the raids are targeting asylum seekers suspected of joining IS.

    Initially there are rumored to be 13 Russians that were also arrested in these raids...not confirmed as of yet...
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    Today's coordinated CT raids targeted 14 Russian nationals (incl 3 women) of Chechen background; explosives seized. 12 residences were targeted in 5 Federal States...well coordinated raids today...
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    Germany security services raided and captured five IS Islamists...including the top recruiter here in Germany rumored to be the IS number one in Germany...

    Tip came from a German IS Syrian returnee who had broken from IS and who identified him....the security services had heard of him but had no photos to go on.....

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    The key lines from Merkel's message to Trump...watch now the moves made by France and Germany to led the EU WITHOUT US input as Trump has made his positions clear towards both Germany. EU and NATO....and where he wants to take the US which is retrenchment down the entire FP line......
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    On November 13 last year, three teams of militants from the so-called "Islamic State" (IS), armed with Kalashnikovs, stormed the Stade de France stadium, the Bataclan concert hall and several pubs in Paris. The rampage left 130 people dead, 85 of them in Bataclan, where the band, the Eagles of Death Metal, was playing.
    Meanwhile, investigations have revealed that all nine men involved in the attacks had traveled to Europe together with the stream of refugees that entered the continent in 2015. According to German weekly "Welt am Sonntag," the country's spy agency, the "Bundesnachrichtendienst," (BND) has warned that IS is specifically training terrorists to merge with asylum seekers looking for safer havens in Europe. The report's authors say that the BND suggests that terrorists train potential attackers on how to answer questions during border interrogations so they can prove their credibility as refugees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Unfortunately, the German government is not necessarily the best judge of what is a threat and what is not.
    Sorry, not sure about that.

    No doubt, they might appear slow, too tolerant, not doing anything etc. But, AFAIK, they're kind of pedantic in their monitoring ops, and once they start acting, they're striking very precisely and massively (like few days ago, when they launched a simultaneous operation against some 200 points all over the country).

    Today, Germans who oppose Merkel’s open border policy face official censorship and censure for discussing it on social media, in addition to being victims of migrant crime.
    Re. 'censorship and censure' of those who oppose Merkel's policy: there is - and quite strict, really 'intensive' at that - censorship and censure of any kind of publications and/or behaviour related to specific topics already since decades. See topics like 'critique of Israel', which are an absolute 'no-no' in the German public (and eagerly misrepresented as 'denial of Holocaust', too).

    Means: that (with censure of opinions opposing Merkel's policy) is neither something new, nor something happening 'today' only.

    Re. 'victims of migrant crime': yes, there's a constant flow of rumours about all sorts of 'horrible', 'terrible' and whatever other kind of crimes supposedly committed by refugees/immigrants, ranging from murder and rape, to stealing livestock etc.

    Curiously (and this is not to be understood as any kind of 'complaint': I'm just explaining conclusions based on my own findings), all are launched by people with obvious right-wing backgrounds, and nothing supported by any kind of empiric evidence.

    Example: few months ago I had a vicious discussion with several other researchers and authors about this topic, several of whom insisted on pointing out such 'horrible', 'terrible' etc. crimes and whatever else. Not ONE of them could provide evidence for any of these. No photos; no eyewitness accounts. Just plain rumours.

    On the contrary, such rumours are opposed by official statistics, which show that there is actually less crime than during the times from before September 2015 (and this in both, Germany and Austria).

    I'm leaving it to everybody to make his/her own mind about this. But, from my POV, that alone is 'speaking volumes'.

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    Finally, let me 'admit' (if you like), or emphasise, that - while one can (with help of some careful sort) differentiate at least three different patterns within the right-wing movements here (Germany + Austria) - there is absolutely no doubt about the 'brown Gedankengut' (Neo-Nazi ideology/mindset) remaining present and influential within anything like 2-5% of the population (my own estimate, and including Germany and Austria).

    I don't know what's your standpoint about this, but it simply makes me sad (often enough: 'mad', too).

    But, that's also a reason more that - and beg your pardon - people like me are not the least curious to have that BS spread in the public. Indeed, I do not want to hear a single letter of that kind.

    Plus: like few other of well-informed people here, I'm getting seriously fed up of all the sponsoring for groups with such Gedankengut by specific private persons from abroad - especially from the USA, recently from Russia too.

    So, overall, I would say: there are damn good reasons why there is a sort of censorship and censure of specific kind of characters. Indeed, I'm all for it.
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    Default German Intel Officer Exposed As Islamic Terrorist Infiltrator Plotting Attack On HQ

    According to Der Spiegel, a German intelligence officer has been exposed as an Islamist terrorist infiltrator suspected of plotting to bomb the agency’s headquarters. A 51-year-old official has been arrested after being said to have made a “partial confession” to plotting the attack. An official told Der Spiegel that the suspect tried passing on “sensitive information” about the Germany’s domestic security agency, the BfV, which “could lead to a threat” at their spy office.
    http://americanmilitarynews.com/2016...n-headquarters
    Es sei dem Verfassungsschutz gelungen, "einen mutmaßlichen Islamisten unter seinen Mitarbeitern zu enttarnen", bestätigte das Bundesamt (BfV) am Dienstagabend gegenüber dem SPIEGEL. Der 51-Jährige Deutsche sitzt in U-Haft, die Staatsanwaltschaft Düsseldorf ermittelt.
    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsc...a-1123676.html
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    Default Berlin truck attack @ Xmas market

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    Created to cover reporting and posts after last night's terrorism-inspired attack on a Xmas market in Berlin. So previous posts will be moved here soon and this post will drop from being first.(Ends)

    Appears to have been a truck attack into a Xmas market here in Berlin this evening....am lucky.... we were there this afternoon to avoid the evening large crowds....no barriers as the market is bordered by two major roads..

    Terror attack not being ruled out....several dead and a high number of injured being first reported...by the Berlin Fire Department

    BREAKING: Driver of the truck is on the run according to German media sources

    Lorry crash at Christmas market at Breitscheidplatz in Berlin is deliberate attack, German police say
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    Multiple reports are saying multiple figures..right now trending is 9 killed and 50 plus injured....

    A mob of #Americans now tries to tell me, that because Germans aren't reacting like a hysteric mob, #Germany is in trouble... ... ...
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    Default Truck attack in Berlin

    The truck had Polish plates and apparently the driver has gone missing...

    The transport company is frantic that the driver was waylaid and killed.

    http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscm...p-1200-800.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Multiple reports are saying multiple figures..right now trending is 9 killed and 50 plus injured....

    A mob of #Americans now tries to tell me, that because Germans aren't reacting like a hysteric mob, #Germany is in trouble... ... ...

    Those speculating should note that Germany already experienced three attacks this year. They only had a marginal impact on political polls
    UPDATE.....12 killed...49 injured with a large number seriously...truck was carrying a massive steel shipment from Italy heading to Poland....

    NEW jihadi attack TTP...they physically truck jacked the truck killing the driver ...his shipping company had lost contact to the driver at 1600 German time and his wife had also repeatedly attempted to reach him. Police are using the trucks GPS system to retrace the route taken from 1600...all EU long haul trucks are required to carry a GPS recording system when the engine is engaged....

    One passerby on his bicycle noticed the driver running away from the scene which at that time first looked like a traffic accident as the jihadi did not drive at an angle into the market but along the edge and solid decorative steel pole barriers kept the truck along the sidewalk and it ended up at an angle but not going deeper into the market area.

    The bicyclist started chasing the fleeing driver all the while talking with the Berlin SWAT (SEK) on his blue tooth in his ear....SEK then surrounded and arrested him roughly five miles from the scene near the Victory Column for those that know Berlin....

    At the moment of impact there is a solid rumor still not confirmed by the Berlin Police that a group of men (number not identified) started shouting "God is Great".....market goers immediately notified the on site police team (20 of them that were providing market security)...and there were arrests...number not confirmed nor is the arrest confirmed.....

    At 0400 this morning the Berlin SEK raided into a refugee center at the old Templehof airport...reason for the raid and that the raid even took place although people observed the raid is not being confirmed as well.....

    While some might call this a lone wolf attack...the use of a pistol in a highly weapons controlled country indicates a logistic supply element as does the group of arrested men shouting "Good is Great"...coupled with the actual hijacking of the truck and then killing the driver.

    Truck driver was known to the police as a small time criminal after a number of arrests....they cannot/will not confirm if he is Pakistani and or from AFG....he arrived in Berlin in FEB 2016 via the Balkan smuggle route and has used various different names when arrested in the past 10 months....

    Case has been turned over to the German Federal Prosecutors Office and the arrested individual flown to a Federal Prison location not named yet for further questioning....

    Berlin was lucky as the truck was travelling a heavily congested road in the evening and the speed limit there is 30mph/50kms and the truck was heavily loaded so the speed of the truck was limited...and it came to rest faster than an unloaded semi trailer...otherwise he would have landed deeper into the crowded marketplace ...most of the killed were rolled over and under the truck due to the heavy load....
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    Default Berlin truck attack @ Xmas market

    Created to cover reporting and posts after last night's terrorism-inspired attack on a Xmas market in Berlin. So previous posts will be moved here soon and this post will drop from being first.

    There are several relevant threads in the Forum's Europe area, notably the attacks in France and the main thread on Germany into which this is likely to be merged one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    While some might call this a lone wolf attack...the use of a pistol in a highly weapons controlled country indicates a logistic supply element as does the group of arrested men shouting "Good is Great"...coupled with the actual hijacking of the truck and then killing the driver.

    Truck driver was known to the police as a small time criminal after a number of arrests......
    What is the likelihood that the pistol belonged to the driver of the truck?

    How hard is it to get a pistol in Poland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurmudgeon View Post
    What is the likelihood that the pistol belonged to the driver of the truck?

    How hard is it to get a pistol in Poland?
    The Polish driver was the cousin of the trucking owner and had driven for 15 years...he had replaced the owner who had his driving hours in and was to bring the steel load into Poland...and both the owner and wife had tried to reach him at 1600........

    He was killed by a head shot and there was no blood evidence in the cabin of the truck.....so the assumption is he was truck jacked at a truck stop outside Berlin....there are virtually no locations inside Berlin where a lot of trucks can pull over and park....the route the attack driver used indicates he had come in a road off of the outer Berlin Ring highway thus the truck stop hijacking is a good assumption......

    The arrested alleged driver a Pakistani adamantly claims he was not the attacker and initial forensics seems to indicate no gun powder trace on the arrested individual....

    Pistols on the black market are hard to get unless one knows the right criminal circles.....since the Russian invasion of Ukraine weapons are running amok on the black market right now....
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    Reminder: in March 2016 Kremlin's Sergey Markov announced terrorists attacks in Berlin in case if Merkel doesn't cave in to Putn's demands

    Actually an interesting comment from March 2016 as IS has not claimed this attack yet...and they should have been far faster if it was indeed IS.....

    Berlin #TruckJihad was just the beginning. German police say to expect more Xmas attacks by #ISIS-inspired killers.
    http://observer.com/2016/12/jihad-ta...urich-berlin/#

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    From the BBC News summary for the attack, two of six points:
    1. German police are questioning a suspect, believed to be a Pakistani migrant
    2. The arrested man denies involvement and police say it is not clear he was the driver
    3. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said it is a terrorist attack
    4. Mrs Merkel said Germans would find the strength to live 'free and open lives'
    Link to the running update:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-38370364

    Thanks to our local member, Outlaw 09, who has given the reported details and context.
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    Default Neatly put

    From The Soufan Group's conclusion on Berlin:
    Among the many counterterrorism challenges European authorities face, they will now face even greater pressure to secure venues that were not designed to be secure, against a weapon that was not designed to be a weapon.
    Link:http://soufangroup.com/tsg-intelbrie...uck-in-berlin/

    This point has been made, when it is quieter by those who advise on preventing attacks, that the enemy can easily adapt and bypass such static defences - however sophisticated (see BBC story with much "spin"). When vehicles were stopped from parking directly outside airport terminals here it was pointed out transferring an IED to a luggage trolley(s) would be just as effective - sadly as proved by Brussels airport.

    Yesterday's BBC story:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36806691

    A better BBC report today, by a different author:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38377884
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    UPDATE:

    The Polish driver of the long haul truck parked it at a construction site at 1500 because the steel parts were for this construction site on the day of the attack....and then went to eat...

    At 1600 the truck's GPS which is integrated into the entire truck's electronics indicated that someone other than the driver attempted to start the 40ton truck...but was not successful......

    Indicating a possible truck break in by the now wanted Tunisian....the truck remained stationary until 1900 when it began to move towards Berlin City West ie the Kudamm.....where the attack occurred at 20:08

    Concerning the truck jacking.....while the German FBI is chasing a Tunisian they still are thinking quietly that more were involved......as it is impossible to control a strong 37 year old physical fit hostage with just a knife and or pistol and drive a 40 ton truck at the same time so someone else is being assumed to have been in the cab controlling the Polish driver.

    The Polish driver was stabbed several times and it appears that he fought with the terrorist driver and was able to steer the truck largely away from the intended target area....as the German FBI indicated there were strong signs of a fight in the cab....then after the truck impacted and then stopped the terrorist driver appears to have shot the Polish driver in the head and fled...

    German authorities are giving the Polish driver high marks for fighting and diverting the truck in the final moments of the attack.....

    Reference the wanted Tunisian ---he has given upon registering as a refugee three different names ...is known to the police due to petty crime activities and has been caught carrying a number of different passports...the German FBI is not sure of his actual age other than what he has given ie 21 during registration as a refugee and sometimes 23 when arrested for a petty crime....

    NOTE: and this is important....THIS is not your typical IS jihadi attack....

    The German FBI has an online site to upload videos...photos...and any witness statements which has led to over 700 witness statements and a lot of videos.....

    Today it has been under a massive and strong DDoS attack attempting to knock it off the net and to hinder any further witness information from getting to the German FBI...

    THIS has never been done anywhere in Europe in past IS attacks....

    We have been tracking two attacks avenues one coming out of the ME area and another coming out of the Russian area....yes IS can use any number of worldwide servers for a DDoS attack, but Russian criminal groups often use Russian servers for these type of attacks themselves and or "rent out those severs to whoever pays well"......



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