Russia Joins the War in Afghanistan

[Anthony Hoh]

Without getting into the M4/M16 discussion, doesn't it make more sense to arm the ANA with AK-47s anyway, due to the minimal maintenance and work the weapon requires? I always thought that was the plan anyway.

G_S We are doing alot to improve the capacity and capabilities of the ANA, fielding a new primary weapon system IMO is overloading the cart. Add the state of Afghanistan's finances, plus (this is a wild guess but) there is probably half a billion AK-47 rounds in this country. Now we have not only given the weapon system, but the cleaning kits, ammunition, the time used to train them, also that is a pretty insightful comment about weapon maintenance. I am not witnessing a military culture that prides itself on a clean weapon, not to mention the terrain and conditions dont help much. I read some interesting things about the fielding of the M16 in Vietnam, although Fairchild and Armalite had billed the model 16 as low/no maintenance, it only took about three years without a plan for weapons maintenance before a lot of rifles really went #### up. (even after they had went back to the dupont IMR powder) I would also submit that the Russians did more to sell the DRAA on all things great and Kalshnikov. I have not really seen us/U.S. do any kind of information campaign on what the M16 family of rifles does better than the AK, (light weight, tighter MOA, etc) at the individual Soldier level.

[davidbfpo]

I too recall the Northern Alliance sudden appearance in uniforms and colums of tanks. There was a briefing in London at the time of this huge aid package, which I suspect "Uncle Sam" paid for. For profile reasons the aid did not cross the established frontier bridge(s), but a pontoon bridge built down river and out of sight.

When the US & Northern Alliance were established in Kabul, amongst the allies arriving to help was a Russain military hospital - as I recall - which was at Bagram AFB. Until today I've not looked on the web to see whether it stayed long. Pretty sure the Russians are not in ISAF.

Long ago in another thread I commented on the Indian support for the Northern Alliance (artillery and other advisers).

So this armed diplomacy is not new and just 'The Great Game' once more.

davidbfpo

[Stan]

When the US & Northern Alliance were established in Kabul, amongst the allies arriving to help was a Russain military hospital - as I recall - which was at Bagram AFB. Until today I've not looked on the web to see whether it stayed long. Pretty sure the Russians are not in ISAF.

davidbfpo

David, during our 5 consecutive tours from 2001 to 2005 there were no Russians at Bagram nor any sign of a decent hospital. Most of the base's buildings were built by the Corps of Engineers and were/still are semi-permanent.

I do however recall some email from a female Air Force enlisted asking about the base exchange () and how often she could encounter using her M16

[Crusoe]

The Russians were never pleased with the increased US presence in "their backyard." Is this just a way to officially invite them to the table? Also an intentional "slap" at our NATO allies in Afghanistan?

[davidbfpo]

Quick Google found this article on a Russian hospital being airlifted in to Bagram and then errected in Kabul:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/de...afgh-d03.shtml (first an unusual source found and fits in with the time scale 2001).

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...ckval=GooglePM

A small Russian team arries in Kabul: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/67208

Comment upon the Russian supplies to the Northern Alliance: http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1015/p13s1-wosc.html

davidbfpo

[Stan]

Quick Google found this article on a Russian hospital being airlifted in to Bagram and then errected in Kabul:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/de...afgh-d03.shtml (fitst unusual source found and fits in with the time scale 2001).

davidbfpo

Thanks for the research efforts, David !
The sight of IL-76s on the tarmac unloading cargo were such common place, that we rarely gave the Russian aircraft and ground transportation another thought.

[davidbfpo]

A puzzling story, not only on the Afghan aspects, but the Russian role in hitting a drug merchant's stock near the Pakistani border:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11659814