MR. DE BORCHGRAVE: Yes, sir?
Q: Bill Pope, formerly of State Department counterterrorism. This question’s for John. There’s no question that some international terrorism groups have had links with organized crime, have used organized crime networks, et cetera. To the extent that you can say anything in this room and it might be nothing, but if you can, can you say anything about core al Qaeda and organized crime, not marginal groups, more marginal groups, but al Qaeda and organized crime?
MR. PISTOLE: Yeah, what I can say is thus far, Bill, and good to see you, is that although we have identified, we, law enforcement intelligence communities, have identified other terrorist organizations that have benefited from organized crime and clearly a number of different aspects here. We have not seen, to date, a direct link between what we would describe as international organized crime, traditional organized crime, and core al Qaeda.
MR. DE BOUCHGRAVE: John, if I could butt in at this point. Surely, Colombia is a convergence of transnational crime and transnational terrorism, as Afghanistan and those mountainous areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan are today.
MR. PISTOLE: Absolutely. Yes, there’s a number of other groups and if we went into detail, whether it’s FARC or Hezbollah or other groups, but not core al Qaeda, thus far.
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