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    Default What is the grunt carrying?

    KiwiGrunt,

    What is the metal tube being carried by the soldier in the foreground, that is on the right of his body? It looks like - for an amateur - to be a combat shotgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    KiwiGrunt,

    What is the metal tube being carried by the soldier in the foreground, that is on the right of his body? It looks like - for an amateur - to be a combat shotgun.
    It does look like it, but it also looks like the barrel is being dragged on the ground.

    Maybe it’s a piece of a breach kit?
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    It is indeed a (breaching) blunderbuss.
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    http://soldiersystems.net/2013/09/23...ore-concerned/

    The German ground forces were even worse. They invented Flecktarn during WW2, but other than a very short use of camo patterns during the 50's in the Bundeswehr and a most simple line pattern (really just parallel lines on a green cloth) in the NVA, it too until the late 80's to introduce a Flecktarn pattern evaluated during the early 70's in almost unchanged form.


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    Default UCP replacement.

    The Army has apparently chosen a replacement for UCP. It looks a lot like MultiCam.

    I put together a related blog post [LINK] (and stole Fuchs’ pic from upthread as part of it).
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    some more:

    http://soldiersystems.net/?s=scorpion

    http://www.kamouflage.net/country/00181.php


    The chest rigs and other pouches reduce the relevance of the pattern itself to the arms, legs and helmet cover anyway. All other surfaces will be disrupted by pouches et cetera, with plenty shadows.

    I suppose combat and recce troops should not rely on a camo pattern on these surfaces, but apply 3D camouflage (anything from vegetation over ghillie suits to this
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7Ehj7eG65...00/13rdp22.jpg

    It should be possible to have an overgarment for the arms only that applies such (spray paint-adapted) camo - and it should be reversible (greenish and yellowish for summer, greenish and brownish for autumn).

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    What about the weapon?


    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    some more:

    http://soldiersystems.net/?s=scorpion

    http://www.kamouflage.net/country/00181.php


    The chest rigs and other pouches reduce the relevance of the pattern itself to the arms, legs and helmet cover anyway. All other surfaces will be disrupted by pouches et cetera, with plenty shadows.

    I suppose combat and recce troops should not rely on a camo pattern on these surfaces, but apply 3D camouflage (anything from vegetation over ghillie suits to this
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7Ehj7eG65...00/13rdp22.jpg

    It should be possible to have an overgarment for the arms only that applies such (spray paint-adapted) camo - and it should be reversible (greenish and yellowish for summer, greenish and brownish for autumn).

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