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    Of course you could be in the Navy...Where I guess defense of blueberry patches is expected to be common

    Or we don't want the enemy to see us after we fall overboard...

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    ^ Apparently the 'porn tache' is part of the ensemble

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    Default G'won -- I'm still trying to comprehend the "no-shine" boots.

    I didn't know the Nyvy had any other kind...

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    Saw the Navy digi-flage outside about two hours ago. It might work after twilight, but I'm hard put to think of an environment, even urban, where it would not stand out like red rubber ball on an putting green in full daylight.

    The original AF digital pattern's colors (Gray, Green, Tan, and Air Force Blue) worked better than this Navy pattern (and I would argue better than the current color scheme).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Van View Post
    Saw the Navy digi-flage outside about two hours ago. It might work after twilight...
    What? No reflective belt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmedlap View Post
    What? No reflective belt?
    Don't need them on that anti-camo. Then again, if you make the belts wide enough, they may even help........to blind the enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvebber View Post
    Of course you could be in the Navy...Where I guess defense of blueberry patches is expected to be common
    We've come a long way since my OG 107s and Panama tread jungle boots.....mostly in the wrong direction.
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    Default Well it could be worse

    Quote Originally Posted by Schmedlap View Post
    What? No reflective belt?
    Our Navy instituted a High-Visibilty Camouflage



    More to giggle at here http://www.defence.gov.au/media/down...0130/index.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    Don't need them on that anti-camo. Then again, if you make the belts wide enough, they may even help........to blind the enemy.
    Sew reflective belts into the uniforms at the waistline and cross the chest. It is more saftey oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van View Post
    Saw the Navy digi-flage outside about two hours ago.
    From the Latin words, Digita, meaning finger and Flagellum meaning to whip? So, "finger whipping good?"
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    looks like the Chinese navy are also not too sure about this camoflage thing. She forgot to put cam-paint on her hands; I can see her...
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    "A Picture Says a Thousand Words"
    http://soldiersystems.net/tag/acu/

    I think the ACU looks a bit too blue-ish on this photo, but other than that it's a good photo.
    Good camouflage looks differently.
    Multicam isn't truly good camo either; I prefer 3D camo on the arms and head:
    http://www.pri.uk.com/pdfs/chameleonsuit.pdf

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    Default The Universal Camouflage Pattern Redux

    U.S. Army Natick Soldier TD&E Center publishes the latest study on camouflage.

    Let the fire works commence.

    Conspicuous by their absence were the old Desert Day 6-color ("Chocolate Chips"), the Australian pattern, the German standard and desert Flecktarns, and the TigerStripe varients. I wonder if Natick staff "didn't like them" the way they "didn't like" black in the orginal Army Pattern recommendations.

    Also relevant to any discussion of camouflage is the older research from Hyper-Stealth.

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    Default UK adopts new camo

    Alas only one photo of the new UK military camouflage uniform:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-in-China.html

    The link says it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Alas only one photo of the new UK military camouflage uniform:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-in-China.html
    Truly depressing. Quite the stupidest thing I have seen in a very long time. - 250,000 to develop??? Ya All*H!

    Why not just wear OD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Truly depressing. Quite the stupidest thing I have seen in a very long time. - 250,000 to develop??? Ya All*H!

    Why not just wear OD?
    You should have a look at the ACU's colours, that eases the pain (in regard to the British pattern).


    It's said to be a Multicam version tailored for the UK, to look distinctly British instead of global Multicam. The costs are likely in great part license costs.

    Multicam has a good reputation, but true combat/scout troops camouflage should be at last one step ahead of a mere print pattern:

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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    Why not just wear OD?
    simple, cheap, effective solutions to non-problems which the bureaucracy has ever-so-stupidly elevated to problem status in inane efforts to garner more funds from the taxpayers...

    Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Multicam has a good reputation, but true combat/scout troops camouflage should be at last one step ahead of a mere print pattern:

    link
    If it really works, then great, but "camouflage saves lives"? I just don't buy it as being that simple. It's grossly overselling a pretty marginal, if nor wholly irrelevant issue.

    In "Wilf's Army" everyone just wears OG/US Govt OD - and adds what's needed as and when required.
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    The law of diminishing returns is of course in effect.

    Soldiers who already attempt to hide with cover, concealment, paint, natural camouflage (branches, grass) and shadows will have only small benefits from using a high-end camouflage.

    But then again there are CvC's easy things that only seem to be easy and Murphy's law. Photos of WW2 soldiers with properly camouflaged helmets aren't exactly in the majority. It's tough to keep up a camouflage effort for weeks if it deteriorates to "useless" or even "tell-tale" within hours.


    Camouflage clothing is relatively cheap and can make the difference between being detected and not being detected. That's especially true in the near-IR and IR spectrum (starlight scope, thermal).

    There's also a psychological factor, just as with reliable rifles. Morale is ceteris paribus better if the equipment is being perceived as great - and an impressive clothing camouflage qualifies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    looks like the Chinese navy are also not too sure about this camoflage thing. She forgot to put cam-paint on her hands; I can see her...
    So if we ever go to war with China, I'll know to be on the lookout for the people who look like they stepped out of the Avatar movie...
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