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    Quote Originally Posted by ganulv View Post
    what does that make the F-22? I don’t know, I’m sure the ANA will take as many ACUs as are offered them. Gotta run through the stockpiled BDUs and DCUs first, though, I guess.
    Pretty sure both BDUs and DCUs got flushed out of the system through DRMO. Had a real hard time getting 'chocolate chips' for our Iraqis a few years back, too.

    Dye the UCPs to some usable color.

    Oh wait, that'd make sense. Sorry.

    nb : an Army scheisse-hemorrhage of cash could never equal an Air Force scheisse-hemorrhage, you know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Camouflage pattern BDUs should probably be available to non-combat troops only.

    Reasoning: Combat troops should be aware of their insufficient camo and do something about it with an additional camo layer to get a much better effect than any 2D camo pattern can achieve, while support troops usually expect no combat and don't use additional camo all the time anyway.
    That's good thinking. A very shrewed (sic) appreciation of human nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carl View Post
    That's good thinking. A very shrewed (sic) appreciation of human nature.
    Yep, that is good thinking and part the reasoning why Army men are supposed to be Green. That was the base color and you added what you needed based on the environment. In winter up North we wore solid white. In the Desert probably some kind of a solid Tan would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Left-over stockpiles of these uniforms could be sold on the civilian market as High-vis safety garments for hunters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    Left-over stockpiles of these uniforms could be sold on the civilian market as High-vis safety garments for hunters.
    why donít cha!
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    It's incredible I didn't bring this up so far:


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    Desert Brush, the Camo That Should Have Been
    Posted on August 4, 2011

    http://octactical.wordpress.com/2011...uld-have-been/
    (photos there)

    Desert Brush was part of the Natick camo trials to find a universal camouflage for the Army. In the end Desert Brush was the overall winner. However for some reason it was tossed aside and the decision was made to go with the current UCP instead, which wasn’t even part of the trials.

    edit: Oops, got the wrong camo thread. I'm sure there's one that did not decompose yet. Maybe David can join them?

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    Fuchs remarked:
    edit: Oops, got the wrong camo thread. I'm sure there's one that did not decompose yet. Maybe David can join them?
    Yes there were seven threads on matters camouflage, BCU etc, including several which featured Oprah and cartoons. All now merged here and the title amended.
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    Our turn. NZ-ACU has arrived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    Our turn. NZ-ACU has arrived.
    If Iím seeing right those guys are using Mystery Ranch packs. So itís not all bad.
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    Default What is the grunt carrying?

    KiwiGrunt,

    What is the metal tube being carried by the soldier in the foreground, that is on the right of his body? It looks like - for an amateur - to be a combat shotgun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    KiwiGrunt,

    What is the metal tube being carried by the soldier in the foreground, that is on the right of his body? It looks like - for an amateur - to be a combat shotgun.
    It does look like it, but it also looks like the barrel is being dragged on the ground.

    Maybe itís a piece of a breach kit?
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    It is indeed a (breaching) blunderbuss.
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    http://soldiersystems.net/2013/09/23...ore-concerned/

    The German ground forces were even worse. They invented Flecktarn during WW2, but other than a very short use of camo patterns during the 50's in the Bundeswehr and a most simple line pattern (really just parallel lines on a green cloth) in the NVA, it too until the late 80's to introduce a Flecktarn pattern evaluated during the early 70's in almost unchanged form.


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    Default UCP replacement.

    The Army has apparently chosen a replacement for UCP. It looks a lot like MultiCam.

    I put together a related blog post [LINK] (and stole Fuchsí pic from upthread as part of it).
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    some more:

    http://soldiersystems.net/?s=scorpion

    http://www.kamouflage.net/country/00181.php


    The chest rigs and other pouches reduce the relevance of the pattern itself to the arms, legs and helmet cover anyway. All other surfaces will be disrupted by pouches et cetera, with plenty shadows.

    I suppose combat and recce troops should not rely on a camo pattern on these surfaces, but apply 3D camouflage (anything from vegetation over ghillie suits to this
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7Ehj7eG65...00/13rdp22.jpg

    It should be possible to have an overgarment for the arms only that applies such (spray paint-adapted) camo - and it should be reversible (greenish and yellowish for summer, greenish and brownish for autumn).

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    What about the weapon?


    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    some more:

    http://soldiersystems.net/?s=scorpion

    http://www.kamouflage.net/country/00181.php


    The chest rigs and other pouches reduce the relevance of the pattern itself to the arms, legs and helmet cover anyway. All other surfaces will be disrupted by pouches et cetera, with plenty shadows.

    I suppose combat and recce troops should not rely on a camo pattern on these surfaces, but apply 3D camouflage (anything from vegetation over ghillie suits to this
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_V7Ehj7eG65...00/13rdp22.jpg

    It should be possible to have an overgarment for the arms only that applies such (spray paint-adapted) camo - and it should be reversible (greenish and yellowish for summer, greenish and brownish for autumn).

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    Weapons aren't clothing.
    The considerations are very different regarding weapons and munitions, so it's a very different topic.

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    The US Army has been issuing articles of equipment (packs, webbing, etc.) in the Multicam pattern for years now, and it will most likely follow the same pattern with this new (well, actually 10 years+ old) camouflage. I watched pallets of deployer bags and packs dropped off in Manas once as a battalion was flowing into theater, all in what was then referred to as the OCP (Objective Camouflage Pattern).

    There are directives which govern the use of paint and various tapes to camouflage individual weapons.

    The pattern is pretty much relevant to everything. The USMC has not followed the same logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Weapons aren't clothing.
    Why the need to state the obvious?

    The considerations are very different regarding weapons and munitions, so it's a very different topic.
    At a personal level? Not sure about that... You can substantiate that statement?
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