Ukraine (closed; covers till August 2014)

**OUTLAW 09** · 03-16-2014

mirhond---you failed to answer my question on the use of the term Nazi by the SU Communist Party, KGB/FSB/GRU and Putin as it seems to me to be still alive and well all these years after Stalin's death.

Check out this social media official Crimea sign using the term Nazi's ---so come on mirhond who do you work for?

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/sta...722688/photo/1

**OUTLAW 09** · 03-16-2014

mirhond---check this form of democratic ballot stuffing by the "legal" Crimean government.

Right out of the KGB/FSB playbook and I guess it supports Putin's many statements of misbehaving Ukrainians threatening poor ethnic Russians.

Thousand of pre-stamped ballots which just need to be counted---you do not need voters. No wonder that 99.9% will be achieved even with a voting blockade by 40% of minorities..

Now with the upcoming Ukrainian new governmental elections the proRussia party will be short 1.5M voters

https://twitter.com/MannfredNikolai/.../photo/1/large

**mirhond** · 03-16-2014

Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09

Check out this social media official Crimea sign using the term Nazi's ---so come on mirhond who do you work for?

check this form of democratic ballot stuffing by the "legal" Crimean government. ...Thousand of pre-stamped ballots which just need to be counted

1. I have checked, and already answered - we have knee-jerk negative reaction on anything labeled as Fascism/Nazism, consider it a backdoor to Soviet collective uncousiousness. I fail to understand why you so surprised. You haven't heard about WWII may be?

2. You use some kind of alternative logic? By Zeus, how you deducted that all these ballots are pre-stumped? From the one ballot sticked to a batch of ballots? May gods have mercy on you. I f you don't understand I'll explain - the presence of ONE pre-stumped ballot sticked to the batch of ballots does not NESSESARILY means that ALL ballots in a batch are pre-stumped. Is it so hard to understand?

@jmm99 I see the ranks of admirers of my magnificient multiperson are growing. Will I get minions and servants or even a personalised mural on the site homepage?

**jmm99** · 03-16-2014

if you're a good girl, I give you this:

If you're a bad girl, I give you Detroit.

Regards

Mike

**mirhond** · 03-17-2014

Originally Posted by jmm99

if you're a good girl, I give you this:

Regards

Mike

Aww, Potyomkin's willage, thanks. Provided that you are good at history, I suppose you use the term ironically, because Potyomkin's willages were actual willages, not just empty carcasses with fancy frontfaces, and the term itself was invented to frame Potyomkin.

@OUTLAW 09

So mirhond living like the days of say 1973 with rancid butter sold to you by the EU, using a steel pick to see which loaf of bread was as hard as a rock, cold apartments heated with even poorer brown coal, and waiting in line for hours only to be told that what ever it was is gone and now going back to that is what Progress?

Slippery Slope Fallacy http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html
None of these terrrible things happened, yet.

What will destroy the system as you mentioned is in fact just why Putin made his moves in the Ukraine---namely "the Street".

I prefer marxist term "masses", besides "the Street" is useless against Putin &Co. I participated in 2011 winter protests, so when I came closer to a line of internal security troops, I discovered some dead-eyed guys who will spray the crowd with automatic gunfire without second thought. So, I'am quit. That's why "The Street" has nothing to do with current regime. Old-skool popular revolution has.

So it appears you are basically agreeing below that is better to suffer conditions that might make Russians enjoy living in say Zambia

I can't say for every Russian, but I, personally, would rather be mizerable, opressed but alive than free but dead.

Let's see---a Ukraine taught Communism for say 45 years

I've just made a historical discover! As far as I know, Ukraine was de-facto part of USSR from the wery beginning at 1922.

Ranting, raving and filling paper with words does not make a writer---- is an old Russian saying---the KGB saying is that it makes one a terrorist.

Ad Hominem Fallacy http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html
Again, try to attack my argument, not my personality.

Enjoy the waiting in line at your bank for the coming weeks--

Appeal to Consequence of Belief Fallacy http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adconseq.html

Besides, my bank account is empty, I live from paycheck to paycheck, I have it in cash and I always pay cash. Banking may go to hell

I know you know this old Stalin/KGB saying;
"One person is a demonstration, Two people a riot and Three people a revolution"

No, never heard this. Provide a source, please.

By the way you forgot to mention that those that have a red banner on their arms could also be the old Guard Soviet auxiliary police

Who have a red banner?

Are you talking about the photo with Sturmabteilung or about the video with Hitlerjugend? If I missed something, please, correct me.

carl, do you even understand what fallacy is? You are the native English-speaker, you must know the term.
Please, read the http://www.fallacyfiles.org/whatarff.html it will discipline your mind, improve your thinking, reasoning and arguing skills. Or start from fighting cognitive biaseshttp://www.overcomingbias.com/about at least you will be aware of it. Learn from Firn - his statements usually probabilistic, it means he is a good rationalist.

**JMA** · 03-17-2014

Mirhond,

How long do you think people should have lived in an area - such as Crimea - before they can vote in such a referendum?

**mirhond** · 03-17-2014

Originally Posted by JMA

Mirhond,

How long do you think people should have lived in an area - such as Crimea - before they can vote in such a referendum?

I have no idea, too much hidden variables. What's the common practice? Provided that a person has a legal residential status - no less than five years, I believe.

**JMA** · 03-17-2014

OK, sounds good.

Now should that person be a citizen of that country or can any passport holder from a neighbouring country arrive and vote?

Originally Posted by mirhond

I have no idea, too much hidden variables. What's the common practice? Provided that a person has a legal residential status - no less than five years, I believe.

**OUTLAW 09** · 03-16-2014

mirhond---your English has vastly improved now try German--- reference the use by Communists, Putin, and the KGB of the term fascists or some Communists even interchange the term with say Nazi.

Der Vorwurf des Faschismus gehrt zur klassischen russischen Propaganda. So rechtfertigt Moskau seit Jahrzehnten seine Militraktionen wie nun auch in der Ukraine.

So mirhond living like the days of say 1973 with rancid butter sold to you by the EU, using a steel pick to see which loaf of bread was as hard as a rock, cold apartments heated with even poorer brown coal, and waiting in line for hours only to be told that what ever it was is gone and now going back to that is what Progress?

So the Crimea and the dreams of the old SU are worth what--rancid butter come on mirhond this is the 21st century not the 1919 Revolution days.

So it appears you are basically agreeing below that is better to suffer conditions that might make Russians enjoy living in say Zambia which based on your comments has a better standard of living unless one is an oligarch, or a member of the Russian Mafia a former Communist or Putin.

"Poor us.
You are still deliberately ignoring the fact that we have lived with ####ed-up economy for 15 years. Almost everyone out there understand that all this burgeous pleasantries are temporary, almost everyone either have Plan B if things become hairy, or just don't care about future. We are tempered with endless economic fails, inferior governance and suffocating aura of lies. Even the food, water and electricity rationing won't destroy this system."

What will destroy the system as you mentioned is in fact just why Putin made his moves in the Ukraine---namely "the Street".

And if your English is as good as I know it is then you understand the term "the Street".

Let's see---a Ukraine taught Communism for say 45 years, a Ukraine that answered to the KGB for 45 years, a Ukraine that has the same oligarch system as Russia has, a Ukraine where the last President was hand picked by Russia/Putin and a Ukraine that was being bleed economically dry for Russia DID WHAT ---it kicked out a corrupt dictator and surprised WHO in the end--- Putin.

mirhond ---I forgot it was the last Ukrainian President was it not who packed his trucks full of money and fled like a what? to Russia did he not? Noticed you failed to mention that Putin in a recent comment even critiqued him as a poor leader did he not?

Ranting, raving and filling paper with words does not make a writer---- is an old Russian saying---the KGB saying is that it makes one a terrorist.

But then I know you know the KGB/FSB well do you not?

Come on dude get real.

**AmericanPride** · 03-17-2014

And while Washington and Brussels debate sanctions and protest in the United Nations, Moscow continues with its plan to secure Crimea from Ukraine. Russia is not going to budge. Russia's decisive and rapid use of hard power overcame many years and millions of dollars of soft power invested by the United States. With the political situation in the country, is Ukraine any more likely to join NATO or the EU as it was before the fall of Yanukovych's government? I doubt it. And now the country is facing economic crisis and a significant military threat to its territorial integrity. Though I'm skeptical, this event should encourage us to reexamine the basic assumptions of our foreign policy.

**OUTLAW 09** · 03-17-2014

mirhond---I know you know this old Stalin/KGB saying;

"One person is a demonstration, Two people a riot and Three people a revolution"

So will the long line at your bank exchanging Rubels for USDs/Euros today be a demonstration, a riot or a revolution? What Progress?

By the way you forgot to mention that those that have a red banner on their arms could also be the old Guard Soviet auxiliary police---so they could have been communists right as their was nothing else in the photo to identify.

Have enjoyed your KGB propaganda---keep sending the articles and photos and your comments as it is easier to indicate where one is misleading.

Enjoy the waiting in line at your bank for the coming weeks--

**carl** · 03-17-2014

Originally Posted by AmericanPride

And while Washington and Brussels debate sanctions and protest in the United Nations, Moscow continues with its plan to secure Crimea from Ukraine. Russia is not going to budge. Russia's decisive and rapid use of hard power overcame many years and millions of dollars of soft power invested by the United States. With the political situation in the country, is Ukraine any more likely to join NATO or the EU as it was before the fall of Yanukovych's government? I doubt it. And now the country is facing economic crisis and a significant military threat to its territorial integrity. Though I'm skeptical, this event should encourage us to reexamine the basic assumptions of our foreign policy.

Maybe. I think the more important question is if Ukraine and Poland are going to reexamine theirs.

**carl** · 03-17-2014

Mirhond, me fine young fellows. I've only been gone a few hours and I see you have given up. You've gone from trying to convince us to simple name calling and bluster. Come on guy, you let a bunch of old men beat you. You gotta do better than that. I know that defending the siloviki is an almost impossible task but you can do better. Come on boys! Give it a go.