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    The publication of intercepted phone calls appears to have become a very fashionable political tool. Cablegate may have lasting influence this way...

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    special for kaur

    a call from oligarch Kolomoyski to Rada deputy and wannabe prezident Tzarev
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo0TYWDNej0

    essence of the call:
    K: One jew got killed and Mariupol, you are to blame, there is a 1 mln $ reward on your head, tell your relatives and subjects to get the fu(k out of here.
    So, kaur, will you buy it? Does it sound like truth for you?

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    Hey, I'am a male! You might be confused by my avatar.
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    If I were Ukraine oligarh and there were wannabe Tsarev, who is rocking the boat, I would tell him get lost (with your sparatist ideas). If I were jew, I would tell him to get lost with your fascist Russian ideologues.

    Just for mirhond. This is nice piece of Kremlin propaganda. "Sunday night" with Vladimir Solovjov. Guests are Dugin, Prohhanov, Tsarjev, Zhirinovski etc. Best guy is from Israel, who talks about extremists in Ukraine in this kind of company. Good job, Russian propaganda!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA86A3QFlkE

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    Default Workers of the World UNITE!

    Workers of the World Unite!... against Russia.

    THIS is effective counterinsurgency.

    MARIUPOL, Ukraine — Thousands of steelworkers fanned out on Thursday through the city of Mariupol, establishing control over the streets and banishing the pro-Kremlin militants who until recently had seemed to be consolidating their grip on power, dealing a setback to Russia and possibly reversing the momentum in eastern Ukraine.

    By late Thursday, miners and steelworkers had deployed in at least five cities, including the regional capital, Donetsk. They had not, however, become the dominant force there that they were in Mariupol, the region’s second-largest city and the site last week of a bloody confrontation between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian militants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurmudgeon View Post
    Workers of the World Unite!... against Russia.

    THIS is effective counterinsurgency.
    No footage, no photos, no links, only text, moreower - there is not an even a single note of the event in the major Ukrainian media.
    Only one link from Mariupol itself:
    http://www.0629.com.ua/news/516729
    Appeal from trade unions to the sity residents not to respond on provocations and preserve peace.

    and other from news agency:
    http://www.ua-ru.info/news/15253-met...medium=twitter
    Steelworkers and citizens cleaned up the mess left after separatists.

    Conclusion - article is Bravo Sierra.
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    Two of the Moderators have looked at this thread and I give notice that the posts regarding information operations, especially between Mirhond and Outlaw09, will be moved to a new thread. If there is time the more direct personal exchange will be edited and so enable the thread to appear in the Media, Information & Cyber Warriors arena.

    Clearly info ops are part of the events in Ukraine.

    Update: I have given up. It is impossible to seperate out the posts, they are spread over a month amidst four hundred posts.

    First, instead I have opted to remove a small number of recent posts - which are rather sharp in tone - between a very small number of members. Or superfluous to the discussion over the Ukraine / Crimea.

    Secondly, if anyone wishes to post on the info ops aspect from now, post them on this thread: http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...d.php?p=156528 the title refers to Russian cyber ops, but on review is about info ops.
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    http://www.newstube.ru/media/mid-ros...e-zhurnalistov

    LifeNews ENG crew captured by Ukrainian "silovikian orcs" (thanks to carl for such colorful definition)

    Fun starts at 00:36 - crew brought MANPAD along with cameras, press bages and other stuff. If there was a "Most lame Propaganda" Award - this video would probably got it.
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    mirhond, is this better?

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    iselyov Defends TV Network After Caucasus Footage Labeled as Ukraine

    (Moscow Times – themoscowtimes.com – Anna Dolgov – May 20, 2014) The deputy chief of a pro-Kremlin television holding has dismissed as an “accidental error” his network’s use of footage from a gunfight in the North Caucasus to illustrate supposed recent anti-Russian violence in eastern Ukraine, a news report said.

    The footage – first used in a Rossiya television report in 2012 about a clash between government troops and militants in the republic of Kabardino-Balkaria – resurfaced again on the network’s prime-time Vesti program last week, this time as part of a report about supposed atrocities against pro-Russian civilians in Ukr aine.
    http://russialist.org/kiselyov-defen...ed-as-ukraine/

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    The Eurasia Daily Monitor of The Jamestown Foundation reported today that in addition to those steelworkers, wealthy Ukrainian businessmen in the east are bankrolling the formation of armed units that are then put sort of under the control of the Kiev gov to oppose the silovikian orcs.

    Vlad must be very upset that locals are acting on their own hook. To me one important thing about this is it might be an indicator of the possibility of Ukrainian insurgent forces forming to oppose Russian forces if they roll across the border since forces are already forming to oppose the orcs. If that happened Vlad might have a tar baby on his hands dwarfing the North Caucusas. I wonder if his rule could survive that.
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    During last week, there has been a lot of talk about Donbass rebels' leader Girkin/Strelkov. Hackers broke his email and some guys have written articles. If you are intersted about his life curve, then Google Translate this Like already previously said, he served in FSB from 1996- autumn 2013. He retired in the rank of colonel in anti-terrorist unit. From 2000-2005 he served in Chechnya.

    Та же самая информация содержится на открытом военно-историческом форуме. Срочная служба в 1993-1994 годах – Московский округ ПВО, Одинцовский район, стрелок роты охраны. Не помпезно, но честно. Следующее место службы по контракту в феврале-декабре 1995 года — 166-я гвардейская мотострелковая бригада. Во время службы Гиркина воевала в пригородах Грозного — на Новых Промыслах и в Черноречье, несла потери. С марта по октябрь — Гиркин, по его словам, командир орудия в 67-м ОГСАД, то есть отдельном гаубичном артиллерийском дивизионе. На этом служба в частях Минобороны заканчивается, последующая биография описывается скупыми номерами воинских частей: с августа 1996 по июль 2000 года – в/ч 31763, с июля 2000 года по апрель 2005 года – в/ч 78576, с апреля 2005 года до февраля 2013 – в/ч 36391.
    Если часть с номером 31763 нигде не засветилась, то в/ч 78576, что в городе Грозном, — это управление ФСБ по Чеченской республике, а в/ч 36391 расположена в Москве, на улице Большая Лубянка, дом 12. По мнению некоторых знатоков — это управление по борьбе с международным терроризмом, что в письмах подтверждал и сам Стрелков – «действующий старший офицер», «служу в антитерроре».
    http://www.fontanka.ru/2014/05/20/223/

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    Default Moderator's Note

    A new thread was requested to cover the position of the Russian economy and its international transactions. So a large number of posts (101 in fact) have been removed from this thread to The Russain economy (catch all): http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ad.php?t=20692

    Wheerever possible posts relating to the economic aspects of contemporary Ukraine have remaiend in place.

    Given recent events and some light moderation there are now a number of seperate threads on Russia covering politics, cyber & info ops, the military, terrorism, politics & power, the Russian pysche and more. Some threads on Russia are not in the Europe arena notably watching fleet movements.
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    Bloodshed at Ukrainian checkpoint:
    Three days before Ukraine holds a presidential vote, pro-Russia insurgents attacked a military checkpoint Thursday in eastern Ukraine, killing at least 11 troops and wounding at least 33 others in the deadliest raid yet in weeks of fighting.

    Three charred Ukrainian armored infantry vehicles, their turrets blown away, and several burned trucks were seen at the site in the Donetsk region. A military helicopter landed, carrying officials who inspected the area.


    Residents said attackers used an armored bank truck, which the unsuspecting Ukrainian soldiers waved through, and then mowed them down at point-blank range. Their account couldn't be independently confirmed.


    In the town of Horlivka, a masked rebel commander claimed responsibility for the raid and showed an array of seized Ukrainian weapons.
    Link:http://www.chron.com/news/world/arti...s-5497149.php?

    Some footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-gn0ULip1Q and allegations about armed helicopters being used:http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-94-russian-backed-separatists-launch-attacks-near-donetsk/#2838
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    Kolomoiski's minions burned down the house of Rada deputy and presidency challenger Tzarev (previuosly they burned down his neighbour's house by mistake)
    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...ly-dom-tsareva
    Kolomoiski definitely not a yapper - that's a perfect example of political struggle.
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    mirhond, Russian billionaire's employees and orthodox chekists are running insurgency in Eastern Ukraine. During last raid they killed almost whole platoon of brother nation soldiers. Oh, Tsareev was guy, who Russians thought would lead Novorossija. Will he?

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs...ince-at-a-time

    http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.be/...-orthodox.html

    Putin said that he is moving Russian troops away from Ukraine border. This should be sign of good will and deescalation. He should make one phone call to bring also back his irregulars from Donbass. If he says that he can't do this, there are two possibilities. First, he has lost control of his oligarhs. Second, he is not interested in deescalation. I think he has lost control and православные чекисты will rule!
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    Pro_Ukrainian volunteer batallion "Donbass" got busted in Donetzkaya oblast' and begs for help at Facebook
    https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymchuk?fref=ts

    Give them moar coach fire support!

    upd. Another hilarious Bravo Sierra about KGB agent provocateurs in Kiev

    http://baltija.eu/news/read/38319
    "Russian saboteurs who robbed local authority buildings in Kiev captured by SBU"
    *I can't resist posting a picture directly*


    So, what those notorious saboteurs had:
    a 76 mm case, DShk MG magazine, 7.62x54R clip and ammo belt, two empty mortar shells, a handful of 12,7 mm rounds, several F1 grenades, Mosin rifle breechbloks and landmine case - enormous rusty arsenal, possibly survived WWII. ^_^. I believe SBU captured a deep recon group lost in time-space anomaly around 1942.

    the text of article itself is either a perfect jewel of dumbness or trolling so subtle that I almost bought it.

    *thanks, kaur, your compatriots who posted this are extremely professional*
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    Putin said that he is moving Russian troops away from Ukraine border. This should be sign of good will and deescalation. He should make one phone call to bring also back his irregulars from Donbass. If he says that he can't do this, there are two possibilities. First, he has lost control of his oligarhs. Second, he is not interested in deescalation.
    Faulty logic - there is another option: Putin has no control over separatists and they are on their own during the whole mess.
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    mirhond, where is your source criticism? Do your homework and check the backround of that site. This is considered to be Russian propaganda site there and thay are doing exactly this as you showed. I visitid this site years ago and it seems that content is the same.

    The fact is that this Sunday there must be presidential elections in Ukraine. Conflict is going on and Putin is not making things easy there. I'm 101% sure that he could it easily, but he just will not. Why should he? Russian channels have not switched of warpropaganda also. Show goes on.

    Ps take a look at this picture and think about fraternal nation.

    https://news.pn/en/criminal/104792

    According to the results of the poll, 79 % respondents sees the Belarusians as frater, 66% the Ukrainians, 14% the Kazakhs, 8% the nations living in the territory of the Russian Federation, 7% the Armenians and Tatars.
    http://www.news.az/articles/society/88678

    About faulty logic. Putin can call Malofeejev and tell that tax police with FSB will start raid in his firm tomorrow. He will be sent also to court with international terrorism charges as sponsor. FBI will also informed. Putin will order FSB to start cooperation with SBU against Donbass republic. Putin will take off money from Dugin organisations. Putin will tell Russian TV stations that tomorrow morning will start black propaganda campaign against Borodai/Girkin/Malofeejev etc.
    Sorry for faulty logic. Putin will not call to those people. Their puppet masters will get orders via chain of command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    mirhond, where is your source criticism? Do your homework and check the backround of that site. This is considered to be Russian propaganda site there and thay are doing exactly this as you showed. I visitid this site years ago and it seems that content is the same.

    The fact is that this Sunday there must be presidential elections in Ukraine. Conflict is going on and Putin is not making things easy there. I'm 101% sure that he could it easily, but he just will not. Why should he? Russian channels have not switched of warpropaganda also. Show goes on.

    About faulty logic. Putin can call Malofeejev and tell that tax police with FSB will start raid in his firm tomorrow. He will be sent also to court with international terrorism charges as sponsor. FBI will also informed. Putin will order FSB to start cooperation with SBU against Donbass republic. Putin will take off money from Dugin organisations. Putin will tell Russian TV stations that tomorrow morning will start black propaganda campaign against Borodai/Girkin/Malofeejev etc.
    Sorry for faulty logic. Putin will not call to those people. Their puppet masters will get orders via chain of command.

    1. OK, the whole site looks like BS, you are right
    2. For what reason Putin would help blatantly hostile and shaking Kievan power? Because of his kind heart and righteousness?
    3. Well, you aren't lost to rational thinking if you can see your own fallacies and biases.
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    Putin: "I'm speaking without any irony."

    http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/e...er=rss&emc=rss

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    What's Putin Up to Now? Four Possible Explanations
    By Carol Matlack May 23, 2014

    1. He’s bluffing to buy time.

    2. Sanctions are biting Russia harder than expected.

    3. Putin has realized that his Ukraine strategy hasn’t worked and that he needs to regroup

    4. Putin believes his Ukraine strategy is working so well that there’s no need to stir the pot further.
    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...most%20popular

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