Got the sign-off from Brennan during his visit?Originally Posted by Firn
Last edited by JMA; 04-15-2014 at 06:53 PM.
JMA---what is interesting is that while the WH only confirmed his visit late yesterday---Russian via Interfax was saying the same thing but on Saturday 1) he was in Kiev on the weekend which the WH finally admitted and 2) Russians were also via press releases saying the same thing that he had given the go ahead.
Think it just took "western Ukrainian" military units time to get into position since the eastern security and police are nowhere to be seen.
Can you think of any other reason Brennan would visit Ukraine?
Outlaw, you are welcome.
Look at the guy at 3:37 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cQjJ5rWzlSY
Find the guy here http://www.pravdasevera.ru/upload/ib...1de13d790f.jpg
This news says that cossacks from Russian Archangelsk returned home.
http://www.pravdasevera.ru/agency/so...z_kryma_domoy/
http://m.vk.com/severnyotdel
Last edited by kaur; 04-15-2014 at 07:22 PM.
kauer---can you check the following link-----there are three videos of the airborne assault on the airfield.
http://rusvesna.su/video
Then and these two videos are the important ones---it depicts a shoulder fired manpad (impossible to see which model)---who fired it and where and since it looks like the copter went down was possibly a Mi8.
There is a symbol in the upper left side of the video---have you seen this logo before.
JMA----there is the possibility that he was briefing on the locations of Russian troop concentrations in order to assist in the correct positioning of Ukrainian troops which were rumored to have been pulled into the central interior.
There could have been info passed from intercepts as well figuring the SBU was intercepting as well.
But internally there is a deep fear of the SBU still being tied to the FSB.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 04-15-2014 at 08:06 PM.
The headline says that in Krematogorsk was shot Assad's helicopter.
Compare with this video http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...elicopter.html
JMA---there is also another possibility---shooters/trainers on the ground. When Russia via Interfax got excited about Grey Stone (US) being in the Ukraine--response from Grey Stone was ---no comment.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 04-15-2014 at 09:57 PM.
kaur---many thanks--definitely a shoot down in Syria via a manpad which at least confirms they have been sent into Syria via Turkey/RSA.
The headline says that in Krematogorsk was shot Assad's helicopter.
Compare with this video http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...elicopter.html
So did they just post it to impress their readers thinking none would question the jihadi logo? or to indicate they have manpads as well?
But why him and not some low profile person? What was the purpose of letting Russia - and the world - know the CIA was active in Ukraine?
Of course the US has some - how many ? - men on the ground. What does Russia think? That the US is completely out of it?
What makes you so sure that the three letter agencies aren't being quite successful and have just gotten their security act back together as a result of incidents like Snowden and Manning?
You may recall that leaking to the press of the sort that you bemoan is not being done presently has caused damage to US foreign relations. So I would not be surprised that a pretty strict "gag" order is on them as well.
And just maybe much of that 3-letter power has been dissipated by Snowden's revelations to his new hosts.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
The greatest educational dogma is also its greatest fallacy: the belief that what must be learned can necessarily be taught. — Sydney J. Harris
There's a difference between turning your back on people and sexpecting them to do their share... especially when their cooperation is a necessary part of whatever is to be done.
Poles, Czechs, and Estonians are NATO members and should take up their perceived needs with NATO, not with the US. Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova are in more ambiguous circumstances, but still IMO they are best off presenting their own perceived needs (not for us to be telling them what they need) to NATO, not to the US directly. Obviously the US will be a large part of the discussion with NATO, but opening a bilateral channel is just one more way of encouraging the rest of Europe to avoid participation. That would be a mistake, because in the long term it's economic issues that will bring Russia to heel (as they did for the Soviets) and European participation is essential to that. No reason to let them slip into the old "let the Americans deal with it" groove.
The Soviet Union was contained, and ultimately collapsed, without lighting off WW3. Russia can be dealt with the same way. The containment of the Soviet Union involved territorial concessions, especially in the early stages, that were rather unpleasant for the people involved, though a good deal less unpleasant than WW3 would have been. Those concessions didn't mark the end of American power, they weren't a terminal slide that ended in the loss of Hawaii and Alaska. They may not have been a good thing, but they were a necessary thing, and at the end of the day the Cold War was won despite them, without resort to a direct confrontation that could easily have gone nuclear. That can be done again, and it's likely to be easier this time around: today's Russia is not the Soviet Union and lacks many of the capacities the Soviets had. The US is not sole guarantor of the security of everyone everywhere. A major contributor, yes... but if we try to do everything everywhere for everyone we'll be broke in a decade and unable to do anything for anyone, including ourselves.
Last edited by davidbfpo; 04-18-2014 at 06:32 PM. Reason: light editing
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary”
H.L. Mencken
wm---we can agree to disagree as one from the old generation of intelligence that lived well really well living within the intelligence "bible" handed to us after if one remembers Nixon's years of even Army Intel directing spying on US citizens---believe me intelligence can live within the law extremely well.
If they had done it correctly and targeted jihadi's and related types instead of literally vacuuming the entire internet just because they could do it and targeting even allied leaders who we do need as of now the NSA would not be in the corner the way it is now.
What the Russians pulled in Crimea was after an intense study of our capabilities as they have been watching us since the wall came down and they themselves know the abilities of the internet since they are one of the greatest hacking and criminal internet thugs.
What we missed and I attempted during two Army exercises with Russian peacekeepers AV12/13 to tell the Army but they were only interested in spys among them---was 1) just why did the Russians approach us and wanted within 90 days an exercise after 5 yrs of silence and 2) they openly spoke of the new professional Russian Army and we failed to understand just what they were talking about---it was just that professional army that moved into the Crimea---it is the draft army sitting on the eastern border but it is the professional one on the southern border. Heck for the first time in over 60 years we were able to truly see and understand their decision making processes which was a first but no Army intel seemed to not be interested as not a single report was written.
Now back to releasing intercepts---the NSA can in fact release via YouTube just as the SBU did simply the calls with English subtitled and make no reference to methods and or procedures--the Russians know we listen so why do we hide the fact ---with every intercept that proves their interference is another nail in the public opinion coffin.
If you have read Dave Maxwells' recent comments on both UW and political warfare that is what we are in so use our abilities --and it is without boots on the ground.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 04-16-2014 at 06:01 AM.
JMA---next to the fear of the US BMD abilities that would defeat their ICBM threat the CIA is the next biggest fear.
IMHO the open showing does two things---signals US intentions to support and two it brings into play for the Russian intel---if in fact there are shooters on the ground will they focus on specifically the special ops/intelligence types on the ground in the Ukraine.
The current security operation shows a step by step one object after the other op--and will probably then encircle the main admin buildings that have heavily armed types in them and then no food, water and electricity and then it is waiting them out ---really do believe the UA does not want civilian loses and if you notice their messaging is these are terrorists tearing the Ukraine apart in order to separate proRussians who do not really want to join Russia but want greater autonomy which is OK and what the government says it wants in the long run.
Sorry---this is in Russian but it is an interview with the Ukrainian Ministry of the Interior yesterday stating that initially there were initially 150 Russian special ops in the Ukraine now over 300 and the numbers are climbing---and they are war experienced --so to me Spretnaz and GRU intel types.
http://www.unian.ua/politics/908273-...vnik-atts.html
JMA---BMD is their worst nightmare--why because if the ICMB nuclear threat is negated what then are they do as a supposed superpower---all nuclear threats become nothing. Then they feel fully contained and encircled---you see their frustration with BMD in this Interfax press release from today.
April 16, 2014 13:40 Defense Ministry: U.S. does not respond to Russian proposal about European missile defense
MOSCOW. April 16 (Interfax-AVN) - Russia has proposed a way out of the standoff created by the U.S. deployment of missile defense elements in Europe but the United States is unwilling to make contact, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said.
"We made good propositions concerning cooperation on missile defense to the Americans at the negotiations with U.S. colleagues in New York City in December. This is the most pressing issue in Russian-U.S. relations, not to mention Ukraine. We were expecting our colleagues in February and are waiting for the consultations to continue but they never arrived. One may say that their silence is the answer, and if it is we can accept it," Antonov said in an interview with television station Rossiya 24.
"We have suggested a way out of the standoff, which takes into consideration concerns of the Russian side and the Americans. We would have broken even and moved on," Antonov said.
Last edited by OUTLAW 09; 04-16-2014 at 12:10 PM.
kaur---a new SBU released cell intercept is quite interesting---they might later shift it to a separate link today as they did yesterday..
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...te-343745.html
Mark,
Just about any 3-letter abbreviated USG organization is stationed at American Embassies abroad.
The irony herein, is that some think Bennan's visit is something new that has never been in the countries mentioned in this thread, and, for that matter, many other threads herein.
His staff has been there for nearly decades as they are here and in Moscow. C'mon guys
Last edited by Stan; 04-16-2014 at 02:37 PM.
If you want to blend in, take the bus
Outlaw,
Does this BS sound familiar ?
We have 10 aircraft and maybe 30 jar heads. Hmmm, I must be imagining one hell of a dog fight against 300 plus fighters and one million debilitated Russian soldiers with two presidents both with their index fingers on the nuke button.
If you want to blend in, take the bus
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