Global Attitudes to 9/11

[Adam L]

Just my personal opinion, but I think part of the cause for the problem you cite Adam is that we're an internally informationally-insulated culture (say that three times fast ). We weren't content with simply gating our communities; part of that habit has reached into public discourse.

Most people today do not feel "safe" unless they are not only physically safe, but ignorant enough to feel secure. This ignorance allows them to feel safe by having a very simplistic view of the world that they can comprehend. From this they are able to gain a sense of security because they now are able to feel as though they can in some way have some control over, or way of reacting to, the world. Today, the vast amount of these people are transforming public discourse into something more in tune with their world view. Is that what you are getting at?

Adam L

[Rex Brynen]

I'm rather intrigued by some of the contrasts--why are Mexicans less likely than Palestinians (for example) to believe that al-Qa'ida was responsible? Why do more French than Brits believe the US? (etc)

[Van]

It astounds me. An American medical doctor has lectured me on how the U.S. government "was behind 9/11", needlessly multiplying entities, and boldly assuming competence and perfect secrecy on the part of the U.S. Government (the one that can't even cover up mislaid nukes...). I got so fed up with his self-congratulatory nonsense and proud prounouncements that he was privy to the 'real' story that I lost my temper a little. I looked him square in the eye and asked him why he couldn't accept that three dozen third-world scumbags with box cutters and bad personal hygiene changed the Manhattan skyline.

The reaction was remarkable. He started howling that there was no way this could be the case.

<sigh> I fear for the Republic.

[120mm]

My favorite conspiracy theory is "Where did the plane go that hit the Pentagon?"

My response: "The same place that Payne Stewart's plane went".

Some people don't want to believe how insubstantial modern aircraft really are....

[Adam L]

My favorite conspiracy theory is "Where did the plane go that hit the Pentagon?"

My response: "The same place that Payne Stewart's plane went".

Some people don't want to believe how insubstantial modern aircraft really are....

Good point. People don't understand how the material react to the crash. First, most of the composites all but desintegrate in an impact (any Indy Racing fan would know this.) (At a minimum they turn into very small and jagged shards.) Second, the jet fuel is more than hot enough to get the aluminum burning. If I remember correctly, aircraft aluminum has a high magnesium content.

Adam L

[Adam L]

I'm rather intrigued by some of the contrasts--why are Mexicans less likely than Palestinians (for example) to believe that al-Qa'ida was responsible? Why do more French than Brits believe the US? (etc)

I think the Palestinians would like to believe that al-Qai'da was responsible. Sort of a pride/bragging rights thing. The Mexicans don't really get any pride or bragging rights if al-Qai'da was really responsible.

Adam L

[William F. Owen]

I'm rather intrigued by some of the contrasts--why are Mexicans less likely than Palestinians (for example) to believe that al-Qa'ida was responsible?

Well you may want to ask why more folk in Egypt and Jordan (two countries with peace treaties with Israel and to which most Israelis can travel) believe Israel was responsible, than the Israeli occupied or isolated Palestinians.

[Rex Brynen]

Well you may want to ask why more folk in Egypt and Jordan (two countries with peace treaties with Israel and to which most Israelis can travel) believe Israel was responsible, than the Israeli occupied or isolated Palestinians.

Yes, the contrast with Jordan is particularly striking, given that half of Jordanians are themselves Palestinian. I did wonder a bit about the polling reliability because of that.

[jkm_101_fso]

Of all nations that were polled, the Turks had the highest percentage that believe the U.S. Government was behind 9/11?

Not sure how to interpret that.

They give us entirely too much credit.

It took FEMA five days to get water to the Superdome...(so I heard)

[pcmfr]

I was in Egypt about a week after 91101 and recall that the English language papers at that early date were already calling the attacks a Mossad operation. Given that the majority of the hijackers (and current AQSL) were from Egypt and KSA, it's not a suprise that there is major denial there.

[bourbon]

Of all nations that were polled, the Turks had the highest percentage that believe the U.S. Government was behind 9/11?

Not sure how to interpret that.

Turkey has had its share of conspiracies in recent history. The Susurluk scandal and its ensuing investigations brought "Deep State" conspiracies into the limelight, and I think really shocked the country. There are credible reports that Turkish Hezbollah was created and funded by the military, as well as military and intelligence services engaging in psuedo-operations and false-flag attacks in a "strategy of tension". All this interwoven into alleged stay-behind networks --the so called "Gladio" and contraguerilla, and I can see why Turks could be prone to believe a conspiracy theory that the U.S. Government was behind 9/11. This is in addition to a large increase in anti-American sentiment in Turkey.

This is not to say that I believe that "the U.S. Government was behind 9/11", however, I do question the accuracy of the 9/11 Commission and question some of the narrative about 9/11 and al-Qaeda. There are too many discrepancies and unanswered questions I have, for me not to be skeptical. Reading Peter Lance's 1000 Years for Revenge and Triple Cross really stripped away any faith that I could put into the official line.