Defending Scandanavia (catch all)

[jmm99]

Please introduce yourself - either in this thread in your next post, or here - or both.

After doing that, you can ....

from 1LT
... anti-Russïan is here deeper than in UK, Germany and in Uncle Sam...Kill!

tell us what you really think about Novgorodians.[*]

Seriously, perhaps, more comment, with reasons, on:

... it will do with the capability of the pilots the planes will last 2 weeks will the pilots last that far...

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Besides Adolf Ehrnrooth,

We also could heed this advice in spring 1944 from Juho Paasikivi: "We will shoot from behind every stone and tree, we will go on shooting for 50 years. We are not Czechs. We are not Dutchmen. We will fight tooth and nail behind every rock and over the ice of every lake. I will not fight long. I am old, but others will fight."

When you are my age, you realize the truth in "not fight long".

Final thought (before the footnote), I noticed this ...

... so no point of any US 'socialist' coming here with no better knowledge to comment we are leftisist ...

and suggest you go very light on political commentary (this is a military, not a political, forum).

Kiitos paljon.

Mikko

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[*] Matti Kurki - sankari Vesilahden Sakoisista. OK - here is a brief English Wiki on Matti Kurki, for the benefit of non-Finns.

Matti Kurki jo Pohto !
Kuolema !

The more serious logistics question is where will all those dead Russians be buried ?

[kaur]

Sweden deploys troops over underwater threat
Published: 17 Oct 2014 17:44 GMT+02:00
Updated: 18 Oct 2014 09:30 GMT+02:00

UPDATED: Sweden's military has deployed planes and ships in the Stockholm Archipelago against what it says is a foreign threat in the waters, with the size of the operation unchanged overnight.

Ring was however also keen to avoid connecting the incident to Russia, saying

too little was known for now to allow an in-depth analysis. In recent months, Sweden has seen an uptick in Baltic Sea manoeuvres by the Russian air force -- including an incident in September when two SU24 fighter-bombers allegedly entered Swedish airspace in what then Foreign Minister Carl Bildt called "the most serious aerial incursion by the Russians" in almost a decade.

Sweden lodged a formal protest after the alleged incursion.

"As the government has said, the situation has deteriorated in the Baltic Sea," Wikstrm said on Friday.

Russian submarine activity around Sweden became a major cause of concern during the Cold War. The most famous of these was the submarine U137 which ran aground in a secret Swedish submarine lane in Blekinge, southern Sweden, in 1981, causing a major diplomatic crisis.

http://www.thelocal.se/20141017/swed...-off-stockholm

It seems that Gordon McCormick, author of famous COIN formula "Magic diamond", has studied Swedish problem in 1990.

"Stranger Than Fiction. Soviet Submarine Operations in Swedish Waters"

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...2007/R3776.pdf

[kaur]

Sweden hunts damaged Russian sub. Report says.

http://www.thelocal.se/20141018/swed...ian-sub-report

Russian blogosphere makes already jokes about Russian tanker, which trajectory is in the graphic in the article. It is just wondering around.

TASS has their version. No emergecies, just routine work on world oceans.

[kaur]

TASS link http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/755202

[AdamG]

Russia prepares for ice-cold war with show of military force in the Arctic
Vladimir Putin sends troops and jets to oil- and gas-rich region also coveted by Canada, United States, Norway and Denmark

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-oil-gas-putin

[AdamG]

According to the Latvian military, on Oct. 28, the German Air Force Eurofighter jets on QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) at Amari, Estonia, to provide NATO Baltic Air Policing were scrambled to intercept seven Russian Air Force planes flying in international airspace over the Baltic Sea.

The German interceptors identified the Russian planes as a large package, made of attack planes and escort, which included 2x MiG-31 Foxhound, 2x Su-34 Fullback, 1x Su-27 Flanker and 2x Su-24 Fencer jets.

Regardless to whether the Russian aircraft were involved in one of the frequent training missions in the Baltics or were commuting to/from the Russian airfield in Kaliningrad oblast, the package on Oct 28 represents one of the largest “formations” intercepted by NATO fighter planes during the last couple of years.

Usually, close encounters involve Russian, Swedish or U.S. spyplanes intercepted before (or after) violating sovereign airspaces. Sometimes, scrambles are required to greet Moscow’s Tu-22 or Tu-95 bombers on long-range training patrols or strike packages involved in (alleged) simulated air strikes on one of North Europe’s states (usually, Sweden).

http://theaviationist.com/2014/10/28...7-ruaf-planes/

[kaur]

Swedish officials about foreign mini-submarine.

http://www.thelocal.se/20141114/conc...ssel-in-sweden

[kaur]

A suspected submarine spotted in the Stockholm archipelago a week after Sweden's extensive hunt for Russian underwater vessels last autumn was only a civilian boat, Sweden's Armed Forces have now said. But they remain convinced that the first sighting was a small foreign sub.

http://www.thelocal.se/20150413/susp...s-working-boat

[mirhond]

- We've fished this out in our territorial waters, it looks like Russian sub.
- But this is just an eggplant!
- Well, yes, but resemblance is astounding.

[davidbfpo]

I have merged two old, closed threads on Finnish Hornets and Sweden's submarine incursions. They do fit together and there is no overlap.

The thread has been renamed to reflect the wider theme. There is a separate thread The Baltic states (catch all)

[davidbfpo]

Thanks to a "lurker" for the pointer to this article:https://www.thecipherbrief.com/artic...MJjx9Y.twitter