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    Default J'aime les soldats Americains

    Sacre bleu!

    Actually it is a nice piece...
    French Soldier Recruited
    To admiration for America in Afghanistan, thanks to close contact with L’Soldats Americaine. That’s what it is purported to be, though bits of it look like it might have been charmingly ghostwritten by Steve Martin:

    “We have shared our daily life with two US units for quite a while - they are the first and fourth companies of a prestigious infantry battalion whose name I will withhold for the sake of military secrecy. To the common man it is a unit just like any other. But we live with them and got to know them, and we henceforth know that we have the honor to live with one of the most renowned units of the US Army - one that the movies brought to the public as series showing “ordinary soldiers thrust into extraordinary events”. Who are they, those soldiers from abroad, how is their daily life, and what support do they bring to the men of our OMLT every day ? Few of them belong to the Easy Company, the one the TV series focuses on. This one nowadays is named Echo Company, and it has become the support company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Odom View Post
    Sacre bleu!

    Actually it is a nice piece...
    Tom,

    I have to admit my allergies started acting up toward the end of that article. We did some training scenarios for some Legionnaires and some Paras in JMRC the last couple of years, and I found them to be very sensible and positive individuals: Definitely people I'd go to war with.

    And it's true about their size. Most of those guys were so small it looked like you could blow them over, but they could do pull-ups by time, not by repetition they were so fit.

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    Default A French Infantryman Opinion of American Troops

    A friend of my sent me a copy of this he recived from a friend who got it from a Blog.

    It is supposedly writen by a French Infantryman serving in Afghanista?

    I like what it says about our troops in the eyes and words of an allied soldier.

    Has anyone else seen this and is it a true translatios of the original commentary in French?

    Does Ken White speak French?


    A French Infantryman's View of American Soldiers
    >
    > Military by Jean-Marc Liotier
    >
    > American troops in Afghanistan through the eyes of a French OMLT
    > infantryman
    >
    > The US often hears echoes of worldwide hostility against the application
    > of its foreign policy, but seldom are they reached by the voices of those
    > who experience first hand how close we are to the USA. In spite of
    > contextual political differences and conflicting interests that generate
    > friction, we do share the same fundamental values - and when push comes to shove that is what really counts. Through the eyes of that French OMLT
    > (Operational Mentoring Liaison Teams) infantryman you can see how stro> the bond is on the ground.

    Here is the original French article,
    > http://omlt3-kdk3.over-blog.com/article-22935665.html
    >
    > and here is my translation :
    >
    > "We have shared our daily life with two US units for quite a while - they
    > are the first and fourth companies of a prestigious infantry battalion
    > whose name I will withhold for the sake of military secrecy. To the common
    > man it is a unit just like any other. But we live with them and got to
    > know them, and we henceforth know that we have the honor to live with one
    > of the most renowned units of the US Army - one that the movies brought to
    > the public as series showing "ordinary soldiers thrust into extraordinary
    > events". Who are they, those soldiers from abroad, how is their daily
    > life, and what support do they bring to the men of our OMLT every day?
    > Few of them belong to the Easy Company, the one the TV series focuses on.
    > This one nowadays is named Echo Company, and it has become the support
    > company.
    >
    > They have a terribly strong American accent - from our point of view the
    > language they speak is not even English. How many times did I have to
    > write down what I wanted to say rather than waste precious minutes trying
    > various pronunciations of a seemingly common word? Whatever state they
    > are from, no two accents are alike and they even admit that in some crisis
    > situations they have difficulties understanding each other.
    >
    > Heavily built, fed at the earliest age with Gatorade, proteins and
    > creatine (Heh. More like Waffle House and McDonalds) - they are all heads
    > and shoulders taller than us and their muscles remind us of Rambo. Our
    > frames are amusingly skinny to them - we are wimps, even the strongest of
    > us - and because of that they often mistake us for Afghans.
    >
    > Here we discover America as it is often depicted: their values are taken
    > to their paroxysm, often amplified by promiscuity and the loneliness of
    > this outpost in the middle of that Afghan valley. Honor, motherland -
    > everything here reminds of that: the American flag floating in the wind
    > above the outpost, just like the one on the post parcels. Even if
    > recruits often originate from the hearth of American cities and gang
    > territory, no one here has any goal other than to hold high and proud the
    > star spangled banner. Each man knows he can count on the support of a
    > whole people who provides them through the mail all that an American could
    > miss in such a remote front-line location: books, chewing gums,
    > razorblades, Gatorade, toothpaste etc. in such way that every man is aware
    > of how much the American people backs him in his difficult mission. And
    > that is a first shock to our preconceptions: the American soldier is no
    > individualist. The team, the group, the combat team are the focus of all
    > his attention.
    >
    > And they are impressive warriors! We have not come across bad ones, as
    > strange at it may seem to you when you know how critical French people can
    > be. Even if some of them are a bit on the heavy side, all of them provide
    > us everyday with lessons in infantry know-how. Beyond the wearing of a
    > combat kit that never seem to discomfort them (helmet strap, helmet,
    > combat goggles, rifles etc.) the long hours of watch at the outpost never
    > seem to annoy them in the slightest. On the one square meter wooden tower
    > above the perimeter wall they stand the five consecutive hours in full
    > battle rattle and night vision goggles on top, their sight unmoving in the
    > directions of likely danger. No distractions, no pauses, they are like
    > statues nights and days. At night, all movements are performed in the
    > dark - only a handful of subdued red lights indicate the occasional
    > presence of a soldier on the move. Same with the vehicles whose lights
    > are covered - everything happens in pitch dark even filling the fuel tanks
    > with the Japy pump.
    >
    > And combat? If you have seen Rambo you have seen it all - always coming
    > to the rescue when one of our teams gets in trouble, and always in the
    > shortest delay. That is one of their tricks: they switch from T-shirt and
    > sandals to combat ready in three minutes. Arriving in contact with the
    > enemy, the way they fight is simple and disconcerting: they just charge!
    > They disembark and assault in stride, they bomb first and ask questions
    > later - which cuts any pussyfooting short.
    >
    > (This is the main area where I'd like to comment. Anyone with a passing
    > knowledge of Kipling knows the lines from Chant Pagan: 'If your officer's
    > dead and the sergeants look white/remember it's ruin to run from a
    > fight./So take open order, lie down, sit tight/And wait for supports like
    > a soldier./ This, in fact, is the basic philosophy of both British and
    > Continental soldiers. 'In the absence of orders, take a defensive
    > position.' Indeed, virtually every army in the world. The American
    > soldier and Marine, however, are imbued from early in their training with
    > the ethos: In the Absence of Orders: Attack! Where other forces, for
    > good or ill, will wait for precise orders and plans to respond to an
    > attack or any other 'incident', the American force will simply go,
    > counting on firepower and SOP to carry the day.
    >
    > This is one of the great strengths of the American force in combat and it
    > is something that even our closest allies, such as the Brits and Aussies
    > (that latter being closer by the way) find repeatedly surprising. No
    > wonder is surprises the hell out of our enemies.)
    >
    > We seldom hear any harsh word, and from 5 AM onwards the camp chores are
    > performed in beautiful order and always with excellent spirit. A passing
    > American helicopter stops near a stranded vehicle just to check that
    > everything is alright; an American combat team will rush to support ours
    > before even knowing how dangerous the mission is - from what we have been
    > given to witness, the American soldier is a beautiful and worthy heir to
    > those who liberated France and Europe.
    >
    > To those who bestow us with the honor of sharing their combat outposts and
    > who everyday give proof of their military excellence, to those who pay the
    > daily tribute of America's army's deployment on Afghan soil, to those we
    > owned this article, ourselves hoping that we will always remain worthy of
    > them and to always continue hearing them say that we are all the same band
    > of brothers".
    >
    > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >
    > Much of this the various veterans reading will go 'Well, duh. Of course we
    > do our 'camp chores' and stand our posts in good order. There's a reason
    > for them and if we didn't we'd get our heads handed to us eventually. And,
    > yeah, we're in shape. Makes battle easier. The more you sweat, the less
    > you bleed.'
    >
    > What is hard for most people to comprehend is that that attitude
    > represented only the most elite units of the past. Current everyday
    > conventional boring 'leg infantry' units exceed the PT levels and training
    > levels of most Special Forces during the Vietnam War. They exceed both of
    > those as well as IQ and educational levels of: Waffen SS, WWII Rangers,
    > WWII Airborne and British 'Commando' units during WWII. Their per-unit
    > combat-functionality is essentially unmeasurable because it has to be
    > compared to something and there's nothing comparable in industrial period
    > combat history.
    >
    > This group is so much better than 'The Greatest Generation' at war that
    > WWII vets who really get a close look at how good these kids are stand in
    > absolute awe.
    >
    > So much of 'The scum of the earth, enlisted for drink.'
    >
    > Everyone complains about the quality of 'the new guys.' Don't. The
    > screw-ups of this modern generation are head and shoulders above the
    > 'high-medium' of any past group. Including mine.
    >
    > This is 'The Greatest Generation' of soldiers.
    >
    > They may never be equaled.
    >
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    Default Maybe here before?

    RJ,

    This has appeared before, possibly here; a couple of phrases are familiar, Not to diminsh the value.

    Moments later found the oringinal 2008 posting and moved here.
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    Well it made its way to a friend of mind who did two tours in Viet Nam - One as a machine gunner in the Airborne and his second tour was as a Warrent Huey driver. He did a total of 13 years in Army Aviation and finished 20+ driving Hueys for the DEANG or PAANG While he developed a susscessful
    Personnel Replacement Company near Philadelphia.

    Except for his fondness for jumping from airplanes in his youth and gazillion hours of listening to the rotor go Whup he is a very intelligent bear of a man who is still catching striped bass from a beach in South Jersey dispite the cold weather.

    I'll let him know this blog has been bouncing around since 2008.

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    Uh yeah....it was the start for this thread...

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    Default Me too! but my wife does'nt

    I love "amecaine" soldiers but my wife does'nt!
    Mainly because in french it means american women soldiers.

    I must say that my first impression of US soldiers, in Kosovo 2000, was not that good. But with time, I learned to appreciate US soldiers.

    That said, what I found really interresting among many things in SWJ is the opportunity to exchange and debate with another war culture, mainly the US one. Once you've gone further than the liberty fries issue, I is interresting to see how we look at the same things in a completely different manner.
    Mainly based on theory and practical approach of complex stabilization issues discussions on my part.

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