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    Default MOU is still in effect re Kyrgyzstan US Air Base

    David's recent post that under the MOU we have six months to vacate is correct.

    Some of the recurring missions in and out of Kyrgyzstan are being flown by the 908th USAF Reserve Wing out of Maxwell AFB, Alabama. One of those pilots spoke to our Military Officers Association of America chapter monthly dinner meeting not too long ago, talk included excellent slides.

    Pakistan desperately needs the revenue from use of movement of supplies and material through that nation. I like the posting of 50-odd militants killed by Pak attack choppers. We must see more of that, but what the Pakistani military hasn't been able to effectively do is put enmass divisions in place and keep them there instead of playing psychological games about India and other phoney threats.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George L. Singleton View Post

    Pakistan desperately needs the revenue from use of movement of supplies and material through that nation. I like the posting of 50-odd militants killed by Pak attack choppers. We must see more of that, but what the Pakistani military hasn't been able to effectively do is put enmass divisions in place and keep them there instead of playing psychological games about India and other phoney threats.

    Cheers.
    While this is understandable and especially that last part, one would think that at some point PAK and Indian Governments need to develop at least some kind of mil/mil comms that would help cut down on the militants opportunities to capitalize on old resentments.

    They don't have to like each other but at least if they are comfortable enough with the fact that their not gonna attack each other a lot of the problems might be nipped in the bud before they reach boiling point's.

    As to the Kyrgyz does anyone know, if this happens do we have to keep providing the other aid we've been giving them. Seems like if they pick a side they should try living with it. ( This said of course completely Tongue in Cheek I personally have no idea as to the larger dynamic's there) but it does seem like a reasonable layman's question
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    [QUOTE=Ron Humphrey;66187]While this is understandable and especially that last part, one would think that at some point PAK and Indian Governments need to develop at least some kind of mil/mil comms that would help cut down on the militants opportunities to capitalize on old resentments.

    Ron, you are thinking logically about mil to mil between Pak and India. The ethnic, religious, and geopolitical hatreds there are deep at all levels, even flag ranks who have Western univeristy degrees, etc.

    What is sheer insanity or stupidity or both to us is everyday routine hatred to them, always has been, and will be for a long time to come.

    Both Pakistan and India still have many poor illiterate population who have to be kept focused on something or someone to hate to avoid thinking too much about their own lack of everything in their daily lives.

    One vivid memory of Karach in my day was the dead and dying just lying by the thousands on sidewalks across that city of then 14 million, now I hear maybe 20 million population...people using those sidewalks just stepped over or walked around, no concern for the lower classes at all!

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    Default New route?

    Kazakhstan will now assist logistically: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090209...20090209161206

    Now I must get that atlas and check on where to invest my savings (not serious, just a late joke of mixed effect).

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    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/kz.html

    David:

    This tells you this is yet another landlocked nation with unclean rivers and lakes/their portion of Caspian Sea; left over nuclear and chemical wastes not properly disposed of.

    Etc.

    But, it is a piece of a logistics route puzzle.

    Take a look at the map and related narrative.

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    Alongside the US government report on unaccounted weapons is this Pakistani story on US military computers being sold in the local (NWFP / FATA) marketplace: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/p...he-wrong-hands

    Nothing surprising I suspect.

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    Default Secondary route hit

    I was aware that another overland route via Pakistan's Baluchistan Province existed and this links reports an attack on the border: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090318/...Wtpc3RhbmF0dGE

    I think the author's geography is wrong, as Chaman is a long way from the Swat Valley and possibly Bajaur Valley; Wikipedia I note refers to a railway line to the border: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaman

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