Netfires - Tube Artillery - MLRS

[kaur]

Fuchs said:

Why would you care about weight if you don't intend to move it much?
The price is much more important.

Good question. Maybe for consealment reasons (if bigger weight means bigger size) and cross country mobility questions ...
What price is right price? Some occasions quality triumphs quantity.

A container full of missiles is expensive enough to actually force an army to use it only at high value targets - and to avoid its loss.

The same thing can be said about other expensive stuff. You destroy your tanks, chopters etc that you can not evacuate. Last link with article about IMI rockets says that this is affordable at platoon level. My logic says that this must be cheaper than MRLS fire. Or not??

It mus not be left behind, even if broken communications or other factors prevent timely use of the missiles before their position get overrun.

If you work out TTP that says "Abandon container and swith to another one, you leave it." How destroy it is another question.

It makes sense to think of this as a container on a truck - a mobile launcher.

It depends how your forces control the battle space. Did Hezbollah drive around with their rocket plaforms during 2006 war?

[Fuchs]

WW2 is a better base for thought than Israel's meddling with paramilitaries in regard to Baltic defence, Kaur.

[kaur]

Fuchs, would you motivate you argument that WWII is better example that 2006 war? Why shouldn't we learn from Georgian war last year?

Soviets didn't know the remedy against ATGM's in the 1982, when they were in top condition. I doubt that they know this today. New technologies like Netfire is even more sophisticated to counter. Gareev admits this here. this page is from book "Field Artillery and Firepower".

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[William F. Owen]

Fuchs, would you motivate you argument that WWII is better example that 2006 war? Why shouldn't we learn from Georgian war last year?

Soviets didn't know the remedy against ATGM's in the 1982, when they were in top condition. I doubt that they know this today. New technologies like Netfire is even more sophisticated to counter.

You cannot limit your areas of study and you have to understand what you are looking at.
WW2 can lead you down a dead end road in exactly the same way the 2nd Lebanon War could. Based on even simple analysis, in 2006, the vast majority of ATGMs Hezbollah fired (80%+), missed!
ATGMs can be beaten. The issue is cost versus effect.

I don't see that NETFIRES brings much to the party.

[kaur]

Wilf said:

the vast majority of ATGMs Hezbollah fired (80%+), missed!

Quality of training, quality of weapon etc?

ATGMs can be beaten. The issue is cost versus effect.

IED's can be beaten, but they are not beaten.

I like Netfires type weapon because that you can hide it and it is precice against conventional armoured units. You are stupid if you chose dumb artillery with dumb munition and start to fight Cold war style artillery duel. Georgians tried and failed. Hezbollah used older generation rockets that demanded you to crawl to the line of sight of enemy tanks and they failed. Hezbollah rockets flew till the last day of war. In theory there is remedy against every tactics and every weapon. In practice it depends how many troops and what technologies it demands to root out different weapons. For example, if Taliban swarms all it's units to attack conventionally Kabul, this is like gift for US B-52 squadron. Taliban uses IED's and we need huge number of troops to root them out.

[William F. Owen]

Quality of training, quality of weapon etc?

Both and much more.

IED's can be beaten, but they are not beaten.

Being stupid is not an excuse. The British Army defeated (made irrelevant) the IRA's IEDs in South Armagh, by staying off the roads.

Hezbollah used older generation rockets that demanded you to crawl to the line of sight of enemy tanks and they failed.

Spike and specifically Spike-LR. Fraction of the cost of Netfires.

[kaur]

Wilf proposed:

Spike and specifically Spike-LR. Fraction of the cost of Netfires.

In tank batallion there is approximately 30 tanks. How many Spike-LR platforms and what time do you need to kill it? In some conditions time is precious thing.