Mobilephone update

[davidbfpo]

A long article that confirms that some mobilephones can be used as bugs even when turned off: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

This has been reported on before here in the UK and many years ago by a reporter who infiltrated animal rights extremists - who before a meeting insisted a mobile be turned off and the battery removed.

davidbfpo

[reed11b]

wrong link....

Thanks again Reed, correct link now in place! davidbfpo

[selil]

A long article that confirms that some mobilephones can be used as bugs even when turned off: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

This has been reported on before here in the UK and many years ago by a reporter who infiltrated animal rights extremists - who before a meeting insisted a mobile be turned off and the battery removed.

davidbfpo

I thought everybody knew that you could do that? Dang. You should see what we can do with bluetooth and and ESN.. Just one HINT but look at that and think Iraqi mob, or Greek riots...

Blue tooth address targeting JDAM

[davidbfpo]

Selil,

I appreciate there is a difference between knowledge within the parts of LE and intel communities compared to the public domain - itself a spectrum of knowledge. This article refers to a court case and so is important in placing this surveillance technology in the public domain. Maybe there are other court cases in the USA, I know not.

Yes, professional criminals and terrorist suspects may consider LE and intel surveillance options, it is a moot point whether they exercise caution in using mobilephones and more.

In the UK there is a long running debate, sometimes in public, over whether phone tapping should be admissible in evidence; with a few exceptions it is not. Having recently discussed this issue the US press article - for me - provided an example of the value of using this technology in LE and in court.

Communication is a requirement for most collective crime and terrorism, with an emphasis on rapid communication, for example the reported use of standard hi-tech items in the Mumbai attacks. The use by prison inmates of mobilephones is a common issue and the reluctance to use jammers is another.

davidbfpo

[selil]

Yes, professional criminals and terrorist suspects may consider LE and intel surveillance options, it is a moot point whether they exercise caution in using mobilephones and more.

In the UK there is a long running debate, sometimes in public, over whether phone tapping should be admissible in evidence; with a few exceptions it is not. Having recently discussed this issue the US press article - for me - provided an example of the value of using this technology in LE and in court.

Communication is a requirement for most collective crime and terrorism, with an emphasis on rapid communication, for example the reported use of standard hi-tech items in the Mumbai attacks. The use by prison inmates of mobilephones is a common issue and the reluctance to use jammers is another.

ummm sorry?

Since I'm not part of the "establishment" I get to engage in in strange and fun things. In the past few years we've shot standard home wireless dozens of miles. We've intercepted telemetry signals from great distances. Mapped large regions quickly for wireless and also reverse mapped. Which is kind of fun. We do some pretty crazy stuff but I also have a well stocked wireless laboratory (equipment) and the work force (students) to do stuff.

Since my lab equipment is commercial grade we can fire up transmitters and shut down (jam) every wireless (802.11b 2.4ghz) device for about a half mile. I haven't done much with that type of research as nobody seems willing or interested in funding it.

[davidbfpo]

Amidst the post-conviction reporting is a BBC article on mobilephone examination and tracing the suspects: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/7783737.stm

davidbfpo

[selil]

Amidst the post-conviction reporting is a BBC article on mobilephone examination and tracing the suspects: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/7783737.stm

davidbfpo

Oooh I like that. One of my CERIAS brethren is a specialist in cell phone forensics. I still can't figure out why Counter Terrorism groups usually throw so much evidence away. If I can see a cell phone I can track that phone forever from a distance even if they change their SIM card. I have an article I worked up for a forensics journal on that topic. Tracing cell phones on their unique transmitter fingerprint. Surprisingly very little work done on that.