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    Default Outsourcing

    I will listen to 'Hal' McMaster later today. Meantime a quick response to Bill M. post (in part):
    2. We think we can outsource our wars and have others fight them.....

    Regarding lesson number 2, I think this argument is weak because it is based on a series of assumptions that are not credible when you scratch the surface, yet on the other hand assisting others with addressing their security needs when it is appropriate is still a valid strategy. Of course this isn't new, we have been doing this for decades.
    It appears to me that sometimes the USA in the GWOT has assisted others with addressing primarily US security needs, not their own security needs. Mali comes to mind and the externally funded, almost mercenary like AU intervention in Somalia, where few Somalis appear to fight for their own government.
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    Irresponsible and dangerous?

    List the countries which can defend themselves successfully without allies, please.
    This comment is irrelevant to the argument I'm making, and the argument I think MG McMasters is making. Neither dismissed the value of allies, but ultimately we're responsible for defending our nation and our national interests, which IMO implies basing our national defense resourcing decisions on the assumptions that our allies and partners will take care of it for us seems very dangerous. There is a big difference between "outsourcing" and coalitions.

    Let's face facts, most of our allies and partners, perhaps especially true in Europe have enjoyed a relatively free ride when it comes to security, since the U.S. provided it. Putting the politics aside, assuming it was in Europe's interest to remove Saddam, neutralize Afghanistan as a safehaven, or even defend South Korea (something I think South Korea is probably capable of doing on its own), they don't have the means.

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    It appears to me that sometimes the USA in the GWOT has assisted others with addressing primarily US security needs, not their own security needs. Mali comes to mind and the externally funded, almost mercenary like AU intervention in Somalia, where few Somalis appear to fight for their own government.
    True, but more accurately put we help others when we have "common" security interests. I agree our approach backfires when we attempt to cherry pick a particular threat group (Cartel, terrorist group, or a specific insurgent group) in a particular country, because we fail to address the larger systemic issues that ultimately more important to the assisted nation's security. You can take that issue up with our State Department and Congress.

    All nations ultimately act to pursue their own interests.

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    If people are criticizing the opening phase of OEF in 2001 and the SOF-centric approach, because somehow that is akin to thinking we could win a war with SOF and raiding, I'd counter that phase was not 'war'.

    Can you accomplish limited objectives through raiding? Absolutely, and we've done so throughout history. Even our SOF raiding practices in Iraq went after certain objectives.
    If the general was referring to policy-makers and some narrow views they may hold, roger, but I don't think too many folks in the force hold on to the illusion that raiding wins wars in the larger sense of the word.

    ETA: I finished the clip and understand the angle of his points better. I completely concur that we shouldn't put all of our eggs in a "raiding" approach to war. In an unspoken manner, McMaster seemed to allude to the standard "we need to be able to take and hold ground," mantra.
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    Default Q&A with Departing Benning Commander Maj. Gen. H.R. McMaster

    Q&A with Departing Benning Commander Maj. Gen. H.R. McMaster

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    Q&A with Departing Benning Commander Maj. Gen. H.R. McMaster

    Copied to here as I think what he says is important to SWC. Yes this long interview, by a local paper, has whole passages of little interest. His comments on his own combat help to explain what came after 1991.
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    Default McMaster Busts Myths of Future Warfare

    McMaster Busts Myths of Future Warfare

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    Default The Warrior Ethos at Risk

    The full title is 'The Warrior Ethos at Risk: H.R. McMaster’s Remarkable Veterans Day Speech' and was given Georgetown University. In case you've not seen it:http://blogs.cfr.org/davidson/2014/1...ns-day-speech/
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    Thanks to David Ucko's tip General McMaster gave a talk 'Continuity and Change: The Nature of Future Armed Conflict' to IISS-US today. The video is one hour long, Elliott COhen is in the chair and includes some Q&A:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5c...ature=youtu.be
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    Default More from Lt. Gen. McMaster

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    More from Lt. Gen. McMaster: http://warontherocks.com/2015/02/rea...n-afghanistan/

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    Default McMaster: Combat Vehicle Modernization Strategy To Be Revealed at AUSA

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    Default Macgregor vs McMaster

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    On one side is Macgregor, an outspoken and controversial advocate for reform of the Army — whose weapons he describes as “obsolescent,” its senior leaders as “self-interested,” and its spending as “wasteful.” Viewed by many of his colleagues as one of the most innovative Army officers of his generation, Macgregor, a West Point graduate with a Ph.D. in international relations (“he can be pretty gruff,” a fellow West Point graduate says, “but he’s brilliant”), led the 2nd Cav’s “Cougar Squadron” in the best-known battle of Operation Desert Storm in February 1991. In 23 minutes, Macgregor’s force destroyed an entire Iraqi Armored Brigade (including nearly 70 Iraqi armored vehicles), while suffering a single American casualty. Speaking at a military “lessons learned” conference one year later, Air Force General Jack Welsh described the Battle of 73 Easting (named for a map coordinate) as “a stunning, overwhelming victory.”
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    Macgregor’s views line him up against Lt. General H.R. McMaster, an officer widely thought of as one of the Army’s best thinkers. McMaster fought under Macgregor at “73 Easting,” where he commanded Eagle Troop in Macgregor’s Cougar Squadron. McMaster, however, had more success in the Army than Macgregor, is a celebrated author (ofDereliction of Duty, a classic in military history), and is credited with seeding the Anbar Awakening during the Iraq War. Even so, McMaster was twice passed over for higher command until David Petraeus, who headed his promotion board, insisted his success be recognized. McMaster is now a lieutenant general and commands the high-profile Army Capabilities Integration Center (called “ARCINC”), whose mandate is to “design the Army of the future.” David Barno, a retired Lt. General who headed up the US command in Afghanistan, describes McMaster as an officer “who has repeatedly bucked the system and survived to join its senior ranks.”

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    "Indeed, one of the pitfalls of Macgregor’s Army career was that he slapped a few too many gorillas along the way. He has long been known for his ability to alienate senior officers, not least because he suggested they spent their time sucking up to their superiors, instead of figuring out how to wage war."

    This quote made me chuckle. And then it made me cry, because it was the truth.

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    Default 4 Myths About Combat Vehicles, Debunked by Lt. Gen. McMaster

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