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    There are a few things to be optimistic about in terms of weight savings. The first is a slew of somewhat new materials such as Blue Force Gear's Helium Whisper, which is significantly lighter, stronger, and more abrasion resistant than standard 1000 weight cordua nylon. With Helium Whisper and similar materials, we are starting to see some plate carriers, chest rigs, pouches, etc with huge weight savings and much slimmer profiles over standard counterparts. It is understood that the vast majority of conventional units won't be rocking the latest breed of plate carriers anytime soon, but it is at least a positive indication of things to come. In the meantime, many conventional units are ok with their men shaving a few pounds with better pouches and web gear.

    The second aspect to be somewhat optimistic about is ammo weight. More SOF units have become comfortable with a 4-magazine loadout for their m4's, mk18s, etc. The readably accessible AAR, "The Eagle Went Over the Mountain" has a good reference to this. Better training, better optics, more accurate ammo, and increasingly accurate weapons have led to more accurate target engagement. However, it will be interesting to see how, or even if, this plays out in conventional units in the future. Less training = more rounds spent, and more ammo required. Furthermore, with the USMC and the m27 IAR, many infantry squads are finding themselves carrying more magazines than ever in order to spread-load the weight/bulk.

    Finally, improving load carriage techniques have begun to not necessarily lower the weight, but to improve mobility and performance. Wearing a plate carrier or full armor vest with double m4 pouches all in front makes shooting in the prone an art-form, not a comfort zone. All the weight on the shoulders sucks. The first generation of the USMC MTV's that came out were heavy as hell, but were supposed to transfer weight onto the hips more. Me and my men didn't notice much of that, but we did notice our hips being worn raw by the placement of the side SAPIs. That actually became a planning consideration for me as I alternated mounted and dismounted patrols for the squads of my platoon. In a "back to the future" move, you see more guys now slimming down what they put on the front of their vests, and putting more ammo and kit on padded warbelts. The new generation of packs such as the USMC Pack are finally designed from the ground up to integrate with armor. When significant weight savings are impractical, improved load carriage is everything.

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    50 grams of cloth saved will lead to 50 grams of additional batteries carried.

    The weight issue is a demonstration of leadership failure, not an issue with excessive heaviness of equipment. The enemy doesn't have technology for lighter equipment, and all is relative in warfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    50 grams of cloth saved will lead to 50 grams of additional batteries carried.

    The weight issue is a demonstration of leadership failure, not an issue with excessive heaviness of equipment. The enemy doesn't have technology for lighter equipment, and all is relative in warfare.
    Ergo the American idiom, “100 pounds of the lightest weight gear.”
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    I suspect this short comment, with video clip, is not new. A joint ANA-US Army action April 2013:http://www.offiziere.ch/?p=11922

    Time and again this happens: the Afghans outpace the Americans and the Americans must reel them back in. The pace of the raid slows even further when the combined patrol rounds up several Afghan villagers and must enroll them in a biometric database using wireless devices that take 20 minutes to boot up.

    (Ends)"I hate minehounds,” Mullins growls, unfairly blaming technology — rather than the U.S. Army’s own unwieldy tactics compared to the Afghans — for his platoon’s failure to capture Mohammad.
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    Gents,

    I am on a smart device and it is maddening to try to search through this thread, but does anyone recall mention of an older pack ( it might even be in a different thread) that had a design allowing it to clip into a socket or such on the wearer's belt. It definitely is not MOLLE generation 1, which I know had a ball and socket setup which was done away with.

    I want to say it was some sort of limited distro
    Lowe pack, but am not certain.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    I want to say it was some sort of limited distro Lowe pack, but am not certain.
    This one, possibly?



    ETA: It doesn’t look like the belt is removable. It looks like the belt is designed like this one with two pockets to accept the end of the stays, but that might not be what you meant by “clip into.”
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    Now that I think about it, maybe it was the CFP-90 pack with stays and an adjustable yoke that I was thknking of.

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