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    Default Terrorist training center knocked out by drone missiles

    I got a long analysis from a NYC Internet correspondent Pukhtun (Pakistani origin) MD friend since 9/11 yesterday...which article I have sent to SWJ founding editors for consideration...since SWJ published an article from him in the Dec. 2008 timeframe...

    This "long analysis" strongly suggests that use of drones to get the bad guys is supported in the main in the northern, Pukhtun areas of Paksitan.

    Of course I am a lifelong "hawK" so anytime someone says what I want to hear and want to believe, I will latch onto it!

    Factually, the leveling in the last 48 hours of a Taliban training camp with 15 or more terrorists killed in the process is viewed favorably by me. Some of the Pakistani media (press in particular) inferred or flatly lied, same old b.s., and claim drone missiles only hit and harmed "innocent civilians" which I don't believe...as my Internet connections in that area say it was what our allied sources say openly now...a hit on and the physical destruction of a terrorist training camp/site.
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    Default Drones Dilemma: a Pakistani viewpoint

    From a SWC contributor Hamid Hussain, a commentary after being quizzed by a friend:
    It is quite a complex subject and some other folks have also asked me to write about it but I desisted so far. Overall, the subject has many angles; legal, tactical, strategic, impact on local population, civilian death toll, revenge theory etc.

    The majority of people who are against the drones have very little 'real' information. In case of Pakistan, anger, pride, nationalism, anti-Americanism etc. is the driving force behind these protests while non-Pakistani anti-war groups protest the strikes on ideological and ethical grounds. Off course, those who have lost friends and family members (innocent victims) in these strikes will be extremely angry.

    In the case of Pakistan, like any proud citizen, they resent an outsider taking the broom to their messy backyard even if has some benefits for them. It is very hard to get the 'real' point of view from the folks in the region. Fear is so pervasive especially from the militants that nobody will talk to a stranger. Only if they trust, will open their heart.

    I have discussed the subject with many during my frequent trips. There are large numbers including ordinary folks, tribal elders, those who have suffered at the hands of the militants and many Pakistan army and intelligence officers who support drone strikes but can not state it openly (after all accurate intelligence is provided by many locals on the ground to Pakistanis as well as Americans). Many tribal elders have even travelled to Kabul to urge Afghans & Americans to do more. Off course, it is only anecdotal and I cannot expand it to a level where we can say with some certainty what percentage is in favor of strikes. My guess is that overall number is probably small and limited to those who are on the front lines of the conflict and those much more informed than ordinary folks.

    Many tribal elders privately push government officials to go for the kill but publicly denounce it. Almost all parliament members from FATA as well as large number of provincial assembly members privately approve of strikes but publicly denounce it (even passing resolutions in the assembly) confusing everybody. No wonder that U.S. decision makers are scratching their heads.

    I'll give you one example; I think U.S. was very hesitant to do follow up strikes after the first one (fear of offending Muslim sentiments of targeting those who have gathered to bury the dead) even when it became clear that militants were now cordoning off the initial strike place and not allowing the locals on the scene (probably to hide the identity of the victims). It was the FATA secretariat (100% Pushtun with vast majority from tribal areas) that convinced them to go for the follow up strikes arguing that now only 100 percent bad guys were on the scene after the first strike.

    My own opinion is that it is a tool which has its value but there should be very restricted use targeting only high value targets. Taking out foot soldiers does not change anything in the big game but has many side effects especially on the fragile internal situation inside Pakistan (Pakistanis are doing some heavy lifting but in my view they are over stretched). If there are one or two strikes per month or less taking down high value targets, I think Pakistanis can keep a lid on it. However, sending half a dozen drones buzzing around and shooting Hellfire missiles every third day on low level targets is very counter-productive.

    I don't think that most of American decision makers are that dumb but anger got in the way. When relations between Pakistan and U.S. nose dived, extremely angry military and intelligence folks sent some feedback that served neither U.S. nor Pakistani interests. Large scale and frequent strikes in that time period was a very bad decision dictated by anger and clearly was not the result of a well thought out plan. If these decision-makers think the drone is the hammer in their toolbox, every problem will be viewed as a nail. We can then expect lot of debris in the neighbourhood.
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    How many were women and how many men in the survey?

    That will give an idea of the issue.

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    Default The human (Muslim) drone: choices

    A very sharply written article by a Pakistani scientist, Pervez Hoodbhoy, which rightly draws attention to both American and Pakistani drones. He then asks:
    Vocal as they are about being bombed from the sky, most Pakistanis – including many on the Left – suddenly lose their voice when it comes to the human (Muslim) drone.
    On this thread's theme he has several paragraphs and concludes:
    A scientific survey of attitudes in FATA in today’s dangerous circumstances is impossible. Nevertheless, the impression one gets in talking to individuals is that tribal people with education generally favour drone strikes. This includes those who have lost relatives. But uneducated people, who form the overwhelming majority, hate them.
    He looks at the choices Pakistan faces and ends with:
    In this grim situation there is no guarantee of victory, even eventually. To prevent defeat every effective weapon – economic, social, political, and military – must be pressed into service. The use of aerial drones, terrible though it is, is a necessary evil.
    Link to article:http://www.opendemocracy.net/pervez-...heirs-and-ours

    A snapshot on the author:http://circlingthelionsden.blogspot....upport-of.html
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