If this is real and I have my doubts - I simply cannot see the US authorities not doing anything. Secondly the footage is quite dated and the Hannity interview on Fox-TV ends with words akin to "they have WMD".
davidbfpo
Home Grown Jihad?
Two camps are in my home state.
Is this something that should concern us or does our Fed. law enforcement agencies have it under control?
Thoughts? comment?
Boot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTD7M...rownjihad.aspx
Odd
If this is real and I have my doubts - I simply cannot see the US authorities not doing anything. Secondly the footage is quite dated and the Hannity interview on Fox-TV ends with words akin to "they have WMD".
davidbfpo
Some fact here ....
Spencer on the documentary - at Human Events.
Wiki on Jamaat ul-Fuqra - a militant Sufi Islamic group (that's different).
Colorado AG's Office on the group and its activities.
Kas (a media firm) listing of alleged FUQRA actions since 1979 - note, well before there was an AQ Base.
94 pages - 2005 NCJRS paper on FUQRA.
(from, NCJRS, p.66 .pdf)
2. Political pressures:
a. Perceived prejudices (e.g., profiling) associated with members of minority races or religious groups made pursuing the Fuqra case difficult. In the early stages, the FBI wanted to do the case, but the U.S. Attorney refused to go after the religious group, and newspapers were critical of law enforcement actions citing concerns of discrimination and profiling. According to one investigator interviewed, the “average person” wants to know why law enforcement is investigating people who have “done nothing” and often believe that there is a hidden agenda by police and other agencies.
b. Concerns were expressed about “having another Waco incident,” especially since a number of people at the Buena Vista compound were women and children. A state trooper who became concerned about Fuqra presence was told to “back off” by federal law enforcement.
They target Sikh's and the Nation of Islam. Clement Rodney Hampton-El aka "Dr. Rashid" had ties to ul-Fuqra, and he would later be involved in the 1993 WTC attack. Some ul-Fuqra members fought the Soviets in Afghanistan.
Bosnia in the 1990's. Both of our governments, turned a blind eye to militant groups on home soil supporting Bosnian Muslims.Originally Posted by davidbfpo
.b. Concerns were expressed about “having another Waco incident,” especially since a number of people at the Buena Vista compound were women and children. A state trooper who became concerned about Fuqra presence was told to “back off” by federal law enforcement
Yes I thought about that; How much did the disaster in Waco and even Ruby Ridge play into how law enforcement handles these type of situations.
Where these places are caught me a little off guard. For example one is in Jesup Georgia. In that part of Georgia you can find a Confederate flag flying in every other yard and attending Church is mandatory, so in order for a Muslim community to spring
up, it is unusual.
Boot
Also unfortunately makes it easier
should any action actually be taken against them to blame the "prejudice hicks" and not the belligerent
Any man can destroy that which is around him, The rare man is he who can find beauty even in the darkest hours
Cogitationis poenam nemo patitur
LOL!
No. Most those folks who fly Confederate flags in many cases don't know their history. Believe it or not the county my wife is from (I'm an Army brat) voted to not succeed from the union during the Civil War. My concern would be if these camps indeed are advocating hate, terror and actually training to carry out terrorist acts within our borders (or abroad) then of course that does need to be addressed. Now for those guys drinking a six pack of Pabst and covertly tipping cows who have opinons about this or that on a Friday night out in the pastures, I think (cows probably don't share this opinon) they are harmless enough. And No...I never tipped a cow.
Boot
I think its nice...
that these guys will have someplace to go.
John Wolfsberger, Jr.
An unruffled person with some useful skills.
I don't know about the US, but the UK targeted Muslim militant groups in Bosnia and had groups dedicated to monitoring and reporting on them.
Infinity Journal "I don't care if this works in practice. I want to see it work in theory!"
- The job of the British Army out here is to kill or capture Communist Terrorists in Malaya.
- If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
Sir Gerald Templer, foreword to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition
You are right they did, and I pretty sure US forces did as well. I would look at the question of when that began in relation to the conflict, and what went beyond force protection. I think there was a point when we realized these guys are a problem and something needed to be done.
I think there was a difference between what needed to be done in country, and what was/wasn't happening at home. It was the same network of charities in the US linked to AQ and the Services Bureau; that showed up in Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, and Kosovo. Nothing was done about them until after 9/11.
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