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    Quote Originally Posted by jmm99 View Post
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    "of the war" seems to break the cadence - my perception.
    I like this variation...a lot. And I think setting up a run of tees (assuming one of the mods might be able to take on the task of supervising the effort) would be easier perhaps than getting a run of coins done.

    Next best quote in my mind would be the one we had proposed and agreed upon for that challenge coin idea. I seem to have misplaced the thread and am not sure what we picked.
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    Default Here's what I came up with...

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    Default We're forgetting the other side of the equation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Culpeper View Post
    Yes,that should be on all of them somewhere should'nt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Yes,that should be on all of them somewhere should'nt it?
    I agree. We don't really have a choice do we? It's our thing is it not?

    ...much as I would like a graphic of an armoured D9 Bulldozer, it would not reflect the diverse beliefs and sentiments of the community!
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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    ...much as I would like a graphic of an armoured D9 Bulldozer
    The D9! Oh man. In OIF III, we had a D9 at our patrol base for a few weeks (long story). The driver was scheduled to have the D9 leave the next day and I asked him to do one last task for us. He was adamant that he had to leave. That is, until I told him what I needed done. Our patrol base was smack dab in the middle of a violent city. 25 meters away from our patrol base was a row of abandoned houses that people loved to use as a staging point to attack us. My plan was to bulldoze the entire neighborhood and to overcompensate the owners, making it a win-win for us and them (we upgrade our force protection and they upgrade their bank accounts). When I explained what I wanted done, he froze, his eyes got real big, his cigarette fell from his lips, there was a long pause, and then he said, "sir, I will stay here for as long as it takes if I can drive that dozer through a row of buildings." Unfortunately, my brilliant plan was quickly rejected by whomever handles the money at BDE (but my Bn XO, God bless him, actually argued on my behalf). That definitely would have made for a great video to show among friends on a Friday night, but a PR disaster if it were to get onto YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmedlap View Post
    That definitely would have made for a great video to show among friends on a Friday night, but a PR disaster if it were to get onto YouTube.
    Flatten the houses. No one care about what is on YouTube!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmedlap View Post
    The D9! Oh man. In OIF III, we had a D9 at our patrol base for a few weeks (long story). The driver was scheduled to have the D9 leave the next day and I asked him to do one last task for us. He was adamant that he had to leave. That is, until I told him what I needed done. Our patrol base was smack dab in the middle of a violent city. 25 meters away from our patrol base was a row of abandoned houses that people loved to use as a staging point to attack us. My plan was to bulldoze the entire neighborhood and to overcompensate the owners, making it a win-win for us and them (we upgrade our force protection and they upgrade their bank accounts). When I explained what I wanted done, he froze, his eyes got real big, his cigarette fell from his lips, there was a long pause, and then he said, "sir, I will stay here for as long as it takes if I can drive that dozer through a row of buildings." Unfortunately, my brilliant plan was quickly rejected by whomever handles the money at BDE (but my Bn XO, God bless him, actually argued on my behalf). That definitely would have made for a great video to show among friends on a Friday night, but a PR disaster if it were to get onto YouTube.
    We leveled across from the gov center in Ramadi because of similar circumstances, our message was urban renewal to be replaced by a "park".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Entropy View Post
    Entropy maybe this is prophacy.....is the small wars concept running out of steam Maybe America only wants Big Wars...Is Gian the next Chief of Staff.....Is Wilf the next Sec Def?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Maybe America only wants Big Wars...Is Gian the next Chief of Staff.....Is Wilf the next Sec Def?
    You don't get to pick your Wars. Politicians do. Can't speak for Gian or know what's best for the US Army, but I do know that proficiency in fighting is the key to success in Big Wars and Small Wars, because both are Wars.
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    Default Totally off thread...

    Slap,

    I feel, and it has been posited elsewhere, that America has the capability to be prepared for war fought on virtually any level of intensity or effort. Where we trip ourselves up is our acquisitions process is heavily geared towards equipping the force for war as we want it to happen, vice trying to achieve a balance of capabilities that can effectively deal with a broad and fluid range of employment. We seem to strive to have the highest speed, lowest drag widget. That superiority comes at a very high cost, and to what end?

    One cannot 100% predict the future and it seems that many in government naively believe our opponents will fight on our terms. Granted, there are those that argue that having the absolute top of the line weapon systems deters our enemies. I agree that is true for some, but it will not deter them all, and those who are willing to take us on will make every effort to determine ways to either match or mitigate the superiority of our weapons or create scenarios in which they are irrelevant or impractical due to their complexity or lethality (our self imposed aversion to non-combatant casualties will always be a weapon to be used against us by less scrupulous opponents).

    The US primarily should be highly proficient at employing forces to combat a peer like enemy because nearly all those proficiencies are still relevant when you are at war with men in sandals with AKs and RPGs. It’s mostly about the judicious and appropriate application of those proficiencies for each scenario, scenarios which will vary even within the same AO.
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    Ahhhh Guys.....since this is the T-Shirt thread it was supposed to be humorous

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Ahhhh Guys.....since this is the T-Shirt thread it was supposed to be humorous
    Too true Slap. Just forgot myself for a second, and I should have responded in a way befitting your comment.

    ...but me like Small Wars. Small Wars easy. Small Wars cheap and manageable if approached with a thimble full of common sense. Me no like Big Wars. Big Wars decisive. Big Wars no time for learning. Big Wars very serious. Me like Small Wars.

    ...and I might put that on a T-shirt just for me!
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    - The job of the British Army out here is to kill or capture Communist Terrorists in Malaya.
    - If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
    Sir Gerald Templer, foreword to the "Conduct of Anti-Terrorist Operations in Malaya," 1958 Edition

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Ahhhh Guys.....since this is the T-Shirt thread it was supposed to be humorous
    Yes, totally. My little Gentile/Nagl graphic was meant to be funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    I like this variation...a lot. And I think setting up a run of tees (assuming one of the mods might be able to take on the task of supervising the effort) would be easier perhaps than getting a run of coins done.

    Next best quote in my mind would be the one we had proposed and agreed upon for that challenge coin idea. I seem to have misplaced the thread and am not sure what we picked.
    Hi JC,
    The front was boots on the ground,eyes on the people,mind on the mission. This was going to be translated into Latin. The back was going to be History is our teacher....also in Latin if I remember correctly.

    Idea, if we do t-shirts and hats and coffee cups we could do them all. I like that marine combatives motto One Mind Any Weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Hi JC,
    The front was boots on the ground,eyes on the people,mind on the mission. This was going to be translated into Latin. The back was going to be History is our teacher....also in Latin if I remember correctly.

    Idea, if we do t-shirts and hats and coffee cups we could do them all. I like that marine combatives motto One Mind Any Weapon.
    If you set up an account on CafePress.com you can make an infinite number of combinations of mottos, crests, and graphics on t-shirts, hoodies, sweaters, mousepads, hats, coffee cups, etc. etc. There is no charge to set up a product and I believe you can get a small royalty if other people purchase an item with your artwork/design.
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    The front was boots on the ground,eyes on the people,mind on the mission. This was going to be translated into Latin. The back was going to be History is our teacher....also in Latin if I remember correctly.
    I am beginning to think that Small Wars Journal on the front, with that saying above on the back (in English) would be a sweet t-shirt. A imprint of the HMMWV and donkey print would be icing on the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    I am beginning to think that Small Wars Journal on the front, with that saying above on the back (in English) would be a sweet t-shirt. A imprint of the HMMWV and donkey print would be icing on the cake.

    JC read my other post and lets sneak down and do em all. Ever here that joke about police officers and cows?

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    Ever here that joke about police officers and cows?
    but, if it can't be posted on this family channel, send me a PM.

    All this stuff has to checked for copyright and trademark infringements. Be nice to find a lawyer in that field who'd be willing to join a guerrilla group (i.e., work for free or out of pocket expenses only). Have a possible target, but I'd imagine there is some legal talent already linked to SWJ at the corporate level, who are familiar with that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IntelTrooper View Post
    If you set up an account on CafePress.com you can make an infinite number of combinations of mottos, crests, and graphics on t-shirts, hoodies, sweaters, mousepads, hats, coffee cups, etc. etc. There is no charge to set up a product and I believe you can get a small royalty if other people purchase an item with your artwork/design.
    That was the plan. A couple of snags. If I collected the money that is an income tax/accounting thing I wasn't sure of. Dave SWJED had some quality issues with cafepress that turned out to be some other peoples problems to, they were all technical that could be fixed with all the computer geeks we have on the site now. When you download the print it has to meet certain specs or when they put it on a product it will not turn out right. Black t-shirts were a problem to, but has been fixed as I understand it.

    We would also need a design approval process so people like me wouldn't put stupid stuff on them. I was either in the army or LE protecting other peoples right to protest so I never got the chance to.....express myself so I have some pent up emotions. I wanted a couple of coffee cups or baseball caps with Che Guevara SUCKS and Ho Chi Min can kiss my Ass and some others I want go into.

    We have Bill's SWJ publisher approval to continue sooooo I say Ken White drew on caves and he can count so he can be the admiral in charge. Sam Liles is a computer super geek and jmm99 is a lawyer and so is lawvol. Goobs of ideas and examples So lets form a guerrilla unit and attack!!!

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