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    Two engines failure on the Russia MOD's cargo aircraft forced emergency landing. No casualties this time.

    https://twitter.com/FastSlon/status/622039994077741057

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    Tymchuk: Russia is deploying more & more artillery, sending in more soldiers (non-Slavs), & intensifying the shelling of Ukrainian positions

    Read an advance report on fire support trends in the Russo-Ukraine conflict today. The trends are disturbing.


    UAS surveillance plus Russian thermobaric artillery rounds means that light infantry forces are either dug in or well done.

    Russians also use DPICM plus those thermobaric rounds. We'll soon have neither.

    In a combined DPICM/thermobaric fire mission from Russian MLRS lasting 3 minutes, two Ukrainian mechanized battalions were wiped out.

    Artillery is causing 85% (!) of casualties on both sides.

    you can cross Eastern Ukraine jumping through thermobaric ordnance and don't touch the ground

    This conflict is putting tactical development into hyperdrive. Increasing use of combined arms companies. US way behind.

    combined arms as a core competency has been neglected in defense focus for nearly 20 years

    Russia mastered loop from UAS to IDF. We haven't.

    C-RAM and C-UAS as much needed as longer range/superior performance artillery capabilities

    Russian losses of UAVs are staggering even for a "limited" conflict, if Ukrainians got better C-UAS systems that'll help a lot

    Russia is spreading artillery in battery size down to maneuver battalion level. Army concentrating it at division level. (DIVARTY)

    Smaller loop between maneuver and fires = faster, more responsive integration, which is vital.

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    While this was an interesting theoretical discussion--facts on the ground in Russia occupied eastern Ukraine has fully supported this discussion as the Russian ground forces have completed just this "theoretical" reorganization and have moved into formal attacks positions all along the eastern front lines.

    Good info to match with intercepted comms. before certain attacks

    Pickar, C.K. (1991) Tactical Deep Battle: The Missing Link http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...f&AD=ADA258092

    Just had a very interesting discussion on topic: Is Russia reviving the Soviet "Deep Battle" concept?

    Military experts tend to poopoo the idea of Russian "Deep Battle", but facts on the ground indicate the concept is being revived
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    It appears that the Russian military (Ground, Airborne and Air Forces) are developing a modern "lite" version of "Tactical Deep Battle"

    Deep Battle" was Soviet/Warsaw Pact era methodology: mechanised assault by combined arms armies. See Pickar 1991 http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=get...fier=ADA258092

    Deep Battle has both defensive and offensive phases ...

    Offensive phases: assault (breach front line/penetration of rear), deep operation (advance/envelopment of rear), consolidation/pursuit.

    Deep Battle relies on mechanised/motorised infantry, tanks, (self-propelled) artillery, AT/AA cover, assault aviation and deep logistics.

    Russian forces currently building motor rifle (mechanised infantry), tank, deep air assault and assault engineer capacity in east of Ukraine

    Rapid reorganisation (by Southern Military Dist) of Russian (hybrid DPR/LPR) motor rifle and tank units "lodgement" in eastern Ukraine...Recent reorganisation and deployments of Russian 1st Tank Div and 20th Combined Arms Army in Western Military District together with......support the notion that the Russian military is preparing a "lite" Tactical Deep Battle operation in (eastern/southern) Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Tymchuk: Russia is deploying more & more artillery, sending in more soldiers (non-Slavs), & intensifying the shelling of Ukrainian positions

    Read an advance report on fire support trends in the Russo-Ukraine conflict today. The trends are disturbing.


    UAS surveillance plus Russian thermobaric artillery rounds means that light infantry forces are either dug in or well done.

    Russians also use DPICM plus those thermobaric rounds. We'll soon have neither.

    In a combined DPICM/thermobaric fire mission from Russian MLRS lasting 3 minutes, two Ukrainian mechanized battalions were wiped out.

    Artillery is causing 85% (!) of casualties on both sides.

    you can cross Eastern Ukraine jumping through thermobaric ordnance and don't touch the ground

    This conflict is putting tactical development into hyperdrive. Increasing use of combined arms companies. US way behind.

    combined arms as a core competency has been neglected in defense focus for nearly 20 years

    Russia mastered loop from UAS to IDF. We haven't.

    C-RAM and C-UAS as much needed as longer range/superior performance artillery capabilities

    Russian losses of UAVs are staggering even for a "limited" conflict, if Ukrainians got better C-UAS systems that'll help a lot

    Russia is spreading artillery in battery size down to maneuver battalion level. Army concentrating it at division level. (DIVARTY)

    Smaller loop between maneuver and fires = faster, more responsive integration, which is vital.
    Russian UAV video depicts its use as a forward artillery observer for 152mm SPGs and then for BDA after the shelling to confirm target destruction.

    June 2015, RUS are shelling UKR positions (RUS UAV video)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3mxGGb9ghk

    RU UVA operator is extremely quick in the use of the camera which shows a solid ability with the use of the UAV.

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    Tenth air crash in less than two months---no/little maintenance, bad fuel, worn out air frames, bad pilots---

    FIRST PHOTO: Mi 28N helicopter crashes at airshow in Russia http://on.rt.com/6o99 pic.twitter.com/67hrZDDxez

    One of the pilots of the fallen Mi-28N "Night hunter" ejected http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter

    Mi-28N military helicopter crashed during a "Aviamix" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...ring-a-aviamix … pic.twitter.com/jIkoavRaCN

    And second pilot is dead http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter … pic.twitter.com/mgG0gUi3If

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Tenth air crash in less than two months---no/little maintenance, bad fuel, worn out air frames, bad pilots---

    FIRST PHOTO: Mi 28N helicopter crashes at airshow in Russia http://on.rt.com/6o99 pic.twitter.com/67hrZDDxez

    One of the pilots of the fallen Mi-28N "Night hunter" ejected http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter

    Mi-28N military helicopter crashed during a "Aviamix" http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...ring-a-aviamix … pic.twitter.com/jIkoavRaCN

    And second pilot is dead http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-augus...n-night-hunter … pic.twitter.com/mgG0gUi3If

    Right before Mi-28H went down in Ryazan,Russian Air Force Maj-Gen made statement that air show goal was to show RUS air power & reliability

    Russia's latest military helicopter Mi-28H crashed at air show http://top.rbc.ru/society/02/08/2015...79474598721195 … pic.twitter.com/RPXET4u6S2

    Mi-28N crash at Russia Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xuUqHTD2dA

    The helicopter belonged to the "Berkuty" ('Golden Eagles') flight display team.
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    So much for the Russian blue water naval dream----cannot even make it out of the Baltic---

    LVA Armed Forces on 2 AUG in LVA EEZ 5nm from terit. waters spotted RU Navy's tug Viktor Konieckiy towing minelayer Aleksandr Obuhnov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Right before Mi-28H went down in Ryazan,Russian Air Force Maj-Gen made statement that air show goal was to show RUS air power & reliability

    Russia's latest military helicopter Mi-28H crashed at air show http://top.rbc.ru/society/02/08/2015...79474598721195 … pic.twitter.com/RPXET4u6S2

    Mi-28N crash at Russia Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xuUqHTD2dA

    The helicopter belonged to the "Berkuty" ('Golden Eagles') flight display team.
    All Mi-28s have been grounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    All Mi-28s have been grounded.
    Pilot who survived the Mi-28N crash has said the chopper gave an alarm about a failure in the hydraulic system. http://www.rg.ru/2015/08/02/vertolet...ml#superheader

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