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    tequila, good question! Has anyone really seen those rifles in Iraq or is this some kind of propaganda war against old Europe? If you consider fact that insurgents like to play with gadgets in front of cameras, then youtube should be full of this info

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    Default Report: Austrian rifles supplied to Iran have found their way to Iraqi insurgents

    Well, some seem to think so !

    http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog...wered_aus.html

    Just another reason for the Americans to thank the European "friends" in the Austrian government. High-powered 50 caliber rifles sold to Iran "to fight drug smugglers" by the Austrian firm Steyr-Mannlicher are now killing US troops in Iraq, and the Austrian government expressly approved the sale in 2005 despite U.S. protests, describing the deal as "unimpeachable":
    Just more evidence of the non-violent superiority of the European way-of-life. Trade anything to anyone. Who cares if they are genocidal thugs or out to build a nuke or wipe Israel off the map? Who cares if they use the rifles to kill Americans? This keeps Austria's unemployment down. Don't you just love pacifism?
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    Stan, all I've been able to find are similar links from nutbag right-wing blogs linking to the same damned Telegraph story, which has so far not been substantiated by anything from CENTCOM. Do we have reports of troops or vehicles actually being hit with .50-cal. sniper rounds?

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    Default OK, how 'bout this link ?

    Hey Tequila, how about this one ?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251665,00.html

    LONDON — Sophisticated rifles supplied to Iran by an Austrian arms company in 2006 are finding their way into the hands of Iraqi insurgents, a British newspaper reported on Tuesday.

    American troops have recovered more than 100 "Steyr .50 HS" rifles in Iraq, part of an Austrian consignment of 800 such weapons delivered to Iran over American protests that they could be given to insurgents, the Daily Telegraph reported.
    I will not comment regarding nutbags, or I will be butt-stroked again !

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    Heh, I didn't mean you Stan.

    At any rate, the Fox News report is just refeeding the AP report which is just refeeding the Telegraph story.

    LONDON — Sophisticated rifles supplied to Iran by an Austrian arms company in 2006 are finding their way into the hands of Iraqi insurgents, a British newspaper reported on Tuesday.

    American troops have recovered more than 100 "Steyr .50 HS" rifles in Iraq, part of an Austrian consignment of 800 such weapons delivered to Iran over American protests that they could be given to insurgents, the Daily Telegraph reported.

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    Default Media and the Military ?

    No hard feelings Tequila...honestly.
    God, where are the smart guys like Marc when you need them ?

    OK, I'll go at it alone this time and quote a really cool guy in my defense RE: Copy and Paste in the 21st century !

    "It appears we have appointed our worst generals to command our forces, and our most gifted and brilliant to edit newspapers! In fact, I discovered by reading newspapers that these editor/geniuses plainly saw all my strategic defects from the start, yet failed to inform me until it was too late. Accordingly, I'm readily and willing to yield my command to these obviously superior intellects and I'll, in turn, do my best for the cause by writing editorials - after the fact." --- General Robert E. Lee C.S.A. 1863.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    No hard feelings Tequila...honestly.
    God, where are the smart guys like Marc when you need them ?
    Off working . Seriously, though, I think Tequila is right - I haven't heard of any other reports that don't draw from that one article in the Telegraph. Now, having said that, it doesn't mean that a) there haven't been other reports or that b) they aren't being used. Personally, I'd count it as "plausible, but not proven".

    Maybe more to the point was the Tequila's second question - "Any idea why those were not produced in the latest presentations?" Now, I would think that it's possible that hey have been discovered and that discovery is being "hidden" until an investigation can be completed. This might well account for a single "leak" to the Telegraph to see if anyone starts sweating. Then again, they may not exist outside of the mind of someone who needed a story fast .

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    Default until an investigation can be completed

    As always a great save, Marc ! Thanks !

    Jeez, we've come a long way since 1863

    I guess this will remain a mystery unless somebody begins ordering .50 rounds in beltless quantities

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    Thumbs down Who should we be really upset with?

    Austria ---Neutral country, its citizens together or individually can sell goods and services just like we can and do. After all they just arranged for the production of a terrific supply of excellent civil defence weapons (the styre 50s) and the Iranians are essentially footing the bill for equiping the Austrian Civil defence force. Pretty smart really and The insurgents are testing them in real world conditions against a real Military.

    Iran ---We should have assumed from the start of our invasion if not already from the 1980 hostage crisis they will take every opportunity to hurt and kill the US as a nation and individually.

    Bad Guy trigger pullers---I guess they didn't get the memmo about how they should not buy good equipment.

    Barrett Arms-- Did they let the Austrians beat them in building a better battle implement?

    Ourselves--- for not demanding and achieving sufficient force and will to control the country we invaded including its borders. Its like someone just said that might be hard to do - it will be okay even if we cannot control the border lets not make that part of the mission.

    Get Real Guys you are better than this and its a 2 year old story.

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    16 June NY Times - Strategy on Iran Stirs New Debate at White House by Helene Cooper and David Sanger.

    A year after President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced a new strategy toward Iran, a behind-the-scenes debate has broken out within the administration over whether the approach has any hope of reining in Iran’s nuclear program, according to senior administration officials.

    The debate has pitted Ms. Rice and her deputies, who appear to be winning so far, against the few remaining hawks inside the administration, especially those in Vice President Dick Cheney’s office who, according to some people familiar with the discussions, are pressing for greater consideration of military strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities.

    In the year since Ms. Rice announced the new strategy for the United States to join forces with Europe, Russia and China to press Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment activities, Iran has installed more than a thousand centrifuges to enrich uranium. The International Atomic Energy Agency predicts that 8,000 or so could be spinning by the end of the year, if Iran surmounts its technical problems...
    16 June Washington Post - Iran Curtails Freedom In Throwback to 1979 by Robin Wright.

    Iran is in the midst of a sweeping crackdown that both Iranians and U.S. analysts compare to a cultural revolution in its attempt to steer the oil-rich theocracy back to the rigid strictures of the 1979 revolution.

    The recent detentions of Iranian American dual nationals are only a small part of a campaign that includes arrests, interrogations, intimidation and harassment of thousands of Iranians as well as purges of academics and new censorship codes for the media. Hundreds of Iranians have been detained and interrogated, including a top Iranian official, according to Iranian and international human rights groups...

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    CEIP, 20 Jun 07: Guidelines for Approaching Iran
    ....When devising a foreign policy toward Iran, two main challenges exist. First, Iran’s leaders themselves are not clear about what they want. They lack consensus on the country’s domestic direction, nuclear policy, relations with the United States, and Iran’s regional role. This lack of consensus is due to internal discord and rivalry, institutional paralysis, and a deep-seated mistrust of U.S. intentions. Second, Iran’s leadership often acts in pursuit of regime interests at the expense of national interests. For example, the economic reform and liberalization needed for accession to the World Trade Organization may spur economic growth in Iran, but they do not necessarily appeal to a regime whose power derives in part due to its control of approximately 80 per cent of the country’s economy.

    In addition, the Iranian government has other characteristics that will complicate serious engagement...

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    Default Would air strikes on Iran work?

    Delivered the other day, do not think this site has seen their reports, so try:

    http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.u...airstrikes.php

    Would Air Strikes Work? Understanding Iran's Nuclear Programme and the Possible Consequences of a Military Strike by Dr. Frank Barnaby, with a foreword by Dr. Hans Blix, March 2007.

    I know there have been similar analyses, read and make your own decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo
    Delivered the other day, do not think this site has seen their reports, so try:

    Would Air Strikes Work? Understanding Iran's Nuclear Programme and the Possible Consequences of a Military Strike, by Dr. Frank Barnaby, with a foreword by Dr. Hans Blix, March 2007.

    I know there have been similar analyses, read and make your own decision.
    Thanks, David. I seem to have missed that one.

    Regarding "similar analyses", here's a few papers that have been posted here before:

    CNS-MIIS, 12 Aug 04: A Preemptive Attack on Iran's Nuclear Facilities: Possible Consequences

    CSIS, 7 Apr 06: Iranian Nuclear Weapons? The Options if Diplomacy Fails

    CSIS, 30 Aug 06: Iranian Nuclear Weapons? Options for Sanctions and Military Strikes

    CSIS, 5 Mar 07: Israeli and US Strikes on Iran: A Speculative Analysis

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    Default Iran Cracks Down on Dissent, Parading Examples in Streets

    24 June NY Times - Iran Cracks Down on Dissent, Parading Examples in Streets by Neil MacFarquhar.

    Iran is in the throes of one of its most ferocious crackdowns on dissent in years, with the government focusing on labor leaders, universities, the press, women’s rights advocates, a former nuclear negotiator and Iranian-Americans, three of whom have been in prison for more than six weeks.

    The shift is occurring against the backdrop of an economy so stressed that although Iran is the world’s second-largest oil exporter, it is on the verge of rationing gasoline. At the same time, the nuclear standoff with the West threatens to bring new sanctions.

    The hard-line administration of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, analysts say, faces rising pressure for failing to deliver on promises of greater prosperity from soaring oil revenue. It has been using American support for a change in government as well as a possible military attack as a pretext to hound his opposition and its sympathizers.

    Some analysts describe it as a “cultural revolution,” an attempt to roll back the clock to the time of the 1979 revolution, when the newly formed Islamic Republic combined religious zeal and anti-imperialist rhetoric to try to assert itself as a regional leader...

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    Default -and Others Tighten the Girth On Outside Influence(s)

    FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD

    "Iran Wages War on 'Immoral' Cell Phone Messages
    Monday, June 25, 2007


    Iran’s state telecommunications company is offering rewards to citizens who turn in their neighbors for sending or receiving “immoral” messages on their cell phones, according to a report in The News International.

    "There are rewards for those who report senders of immoral multimedia messages to the judiciary," Vafa Ghaffarain, head of Iran's telecommunications company, was quoted as saying.

    News of the rewards came as the Iranian government issued a press release stating it would try to monitor and censor the MMS (multimedia messaging service) material on all phones. MMS messages contain still images, audio, and video.

    The ban stems from an order issued in April by the Supreme Council of the Cultural Revolution that the Iranian Telecommunications Ministry must acquire technology for filtering multimedia messages, Foreign Policy magazine reported. The council reportedly said that the measure was necessary to prevent "immoral actions and social problems."

    Iran already practices heavy censorship on Internet access, banning thousands of sites and blogs that contain sexual or politically controversial content, the News reports. Sites advocating women’s rights and social networking sites are also banned."

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    Did anyone catch the editor's note on that Times article?
    But the man in the photograph, according to widespread Iranian news reports, was one of more than 100 people arrested recently on charges of being part of a gang that had committed rapes, robberies, forgeries and other crimes.
    Yeah..sure.
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    Default Cracking Down At the Pump

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19457357/

    "Iran fuel rations spark anger, rioting
    At least two pump stations torched; motorists line up for gas for hours"

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    RFE-RL, 29 Jun 07: Iran: Officials Reportedly Ban Negative Gas-Rationing Stories
    Reports say Iran's Supreme National Security Council has warned journalists not to report on problems caused by gas rationing that led to great anger among some citizens who set fire to many gas stations in several cities on June 27....

    ...The unrest, described by some as "gasoline riots," reportedly also led to the temporary closure of the country's mobile phone text messaging network by authorities who were trying to prevent unrest and protests from spreading....

    ...In recent months, Iran's top security body has also put journalists under pressure not to criticize the country's nuclear policies and not to depict the Iranian government's dealings in the nuclear crisis as unsuccessful...

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    Military Review, Jul-Aug 07: Surrounded: Seeing the World From Iran's Point of View
    ...An initial sense of the Iranian leadership’s current worldview may be best perceived simply by looking at a map of the Middle East as seen through their eyes. As a Pasdaran (Revolutionary Guard) officer once expressed to me while discussing Iran’s security situation depicted on a map on his office wall, most Iranian leaders now share, with increasing anxiety, the common view that the U.S. is following a policy of gradually encircling Iran with hostile American forces based in neighboring countries. They note that 30 years ago the U.S had only a couple of military bases in the region—ironically, located in Iran itself. Now, U.S. bases are in all the Persian Gulf states except Iran, and in one form or another, U.S. forces are in all of Iran’s neighboring states—Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Turkey—except for Turkmenistan. Moreover, the U.S. has special ties with Pakistan (a supposed ally against Al-Qaeda), Turkey (a NATO ally that has a special defense treaty with Israel), and Azerbaijan (where hundreds of American military advisors with equipment are pouring into a country whose oil industry is already closely tied to U.S. interests). Along with this gradual buildup of forces, U.S. leaders from both political parties have kept up a steady stream of threatening rhetoric, publicly calling for regime change in Iran. This is a cause for special alarm, given U.S. military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001....

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    Default Iran's Proxy War

    6 July Wall Street Journal commentary - Iran's Proxy War by Sen. Joseph Lieberman.

    Earlier this week, the U.S. military made public new and disturbing information about the proxy war that Iran is waging against American soldiers and our allies in Iraq.

    According to Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, the U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, the Iranian government has been using the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah to train and organize Iraqi extremists, who are responsible in turn for the murder of American service members.

    Gen. Bergner also revealed that the Quds Force--a special unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps whose mission is to finance, arm and equip foreign Islamist terrorist movements--has taken groups of up to 60 Iraqi insurgents at a time and brought them to three camps near Tehran, where they have received instruction in the use of mortars, rockets, improvised explosive devices and other deadly tools of guerrilla warfare that they use against our troops. Iran has also funded its Iraqi proxies generously, to the tune of $3 million a month.

    Based on the interrogation of captured extremist leaders--including a 24-year veteran of Hezbollah, apparently dispatched to Iraq by his patrons in Tehran--Gen. Bergner also reported on Monday that the U.S. military has concluded that "the senior leadership" in Iran is aware of these terrorist activities. He said it is "hard to imagine" Ayatollah Ali Khamenei--Iran's supreme leader--does not know of them...

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