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    Default Scot Nats upset?

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    Why are the Scottish nationalists upset?
    In The Terrorist Hunters, Mr Hayman claims politicians are guilty of “hissy fits” and “some amazing playground antics”. He told The Times: “Mr Salmond is no different.”

    A spokesman for the First Minister denied the claims, saying that neither Mr Salmond nor Mr MacAskill had any contact or dealings with Mr Hayman and were not involved in any of the judicial proceedings.

    He added: “The Scottish government is fully committed to the fight against terrorism and will work with jurisdictions, south of the Border and elsewhere, to ensure the safety and security of ordinary citizens and the prosecution of the perpetrators of terrorist acts wherever they may be.”

    John Neilson, the Assistant Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police, who headed the investigation into the attack, denied that politicians had influenced the inquiry. “I don't know of any political interference that impacted on the investigation,” he said.

    A spokesman for the Crown Office also dismissed Mr Hayman's version of events, saying: “This bears absolutely no resemblance to events in Scotland that weekend.

    “The Lord Advocate and her team worked tirelessly with the support of the Scottish ministers over the course of the weekend on June 29 and 30 to ensure that the complex legal issue of jurisdiction was considered quickly but authoritatively.”

    These Scottish comments appear to have come after the injunction and Andy Hayman's views were published in The Times excerpts.

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    The injunction against the UK publication and sale of the book have recently been lifted, with almost no additional reporting and I only learnt talking to the co-author last week. The publishers now have to think whether to repeat the publicity.

    Andy Hayman's website has a short comment: http://andyhayman.com/book.html

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    Default UK CT arrests: an emerging story

    British police say they have arrested 12 men suspected of plotting a terrorist attack in Britain. The men were taken from different areas around the country as a result of counter-terrorism intelligence work. The country remains on high alert.

    Police picked up the men in early morning raids in Birmingham and Stoke-on-Trent in central England, Cardiff in Wales; and, in the capital, London. The men are between the ages of 17 and 24.
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    Default UK CT arrests

    A bland new release so far, the usual newsreel and now the 'waiting game' for more details - notably charged or released. Curiously the main BBC News decided to explain the statistics for arrests, charges and convictions.

    There is a little more, notably that it is an AQ plot:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ide-raids.html
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    Default UK CT arrests: an emerging story

    I think this deserves its own thread and so I will move a few post here. Yes, this post will then appear not at the start.
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    Default Some "light", maybe some facts too

    A variety of reports:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12048598 and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Pakistan.html

    A mixture:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...d-in-jail.html

    From which:
    Muslims leaders said they tipped off police about the group of extremists in the Welsh capital, where five men between the ages of 23 and 28 were arrested. They said they had stopped the group from holding meetings in mosques in the last month and told them to "go elsewhere."
    Mosque officials informed police but it is thought that MI5 was already aware of the group.
    I know of one analyst who is puzzled that amongst the 'Xmas Twelve' are reportedly five Bangladeshi's, who went for training in Pakistan.
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    Default Charges against nine

    Announced AM today that nine of the twelve men arrested would be charged with Conspiracy to cause an explosion and Preparatory acts; the other three have been released without charge.

    The BBC report:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12081828 and a little more detail on the police press release: http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/l...se.asp?id=2000

    There is an odd feature to the charges, the dates covered vary and the conspiracy date ends 20th November, whilst the preparatory ends 20th December.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    I think this deserves its own thread and so I will move a few post here. Yes, this post will then appear not at the start.
    For contextual dichotomy, the Peanut Gallery should read
    http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...7&postcount=41
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    Default A little more detail

    Been away from the UK news and found this:
    The charges amount to allegations of a plan to attack the London Stock Exchange, the American Embassy, a number of prominent religious and political leaders and possible restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The alleged plan also included a series of parcel bombs to be constructed based on instructions printed in an Al-Qaeda newsletter.

    The second chage they face is of engaging in conduct in preparation for acts of terrorism between November 6 and December 20, including by downloading, researching, obtaining and discussing materials and methods; researching discussing and carrying out reconnaissance on and agreeing potential targets; travelling to and attending meetings; and igniting and testing incendiary material preparing for acts of terrorism.
    Link:http://www.channel4.com/news/anti-te...ne-men-charged

    More details on:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ter-Abbey.html
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    Why the surprise about Bangladeshis? Bangladesh has been an important hub of ISI's jihadist project for decades...

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    Christmas bomb plot: nine men remanded over plan to 'blow up Big Ben and Westminster Abbey'
    Nine alleged terrorists plotted a Christmas bombing campaign targeting sites that included the London Stock Exchange and Big Ben, a court heard.
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    Default Why do Bangladeshi arrest cause surprise?

    Omarali50,

    You asked:
    Why the surprise about Bangladeshis? Bangladesh has been an important hub of ISI's jihadist project for decades...
    IMHO the surprise is that those of Bangladeshi origin have not featured in most UK plots for a few years, other groups dominate, notably Kashmiri / Pakistani and coming up Somalis. IIRC the last UK CT case with a Bangladeshi was Moinul Abedin and he was arrested in 2000. Secondly, there was the assumption that contemporary history would preclude any Bangladeshi going to Pakistan for training.

    There has also been Bangladesh-UK co-operation in CT, although it has hiccups:http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/j...ims-bangladesh
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    For people too cheap to buy from Paladin Press

    LONDON - Nine men arrested in Britain on terrorism charges last week found inspiration and bomb-making instructions in an English-language Internet magazine published by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, British investigators reportedly said.
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    Default Joining the dots: 7/7 bombings in London

    There is another thread on the 7/7 bombings, shown below, but it covers the post-attack response and this thread starts following - late agreed - the missed opportunities to stop the attacks. Like others I do not like the phrase 'joining the dots', but it is an easy headline.

    After much official resistance there is now a coroners inquest, with its own website:http://7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk/index.htm

    There have been some headlines as witnesses have come forward. Today we learnt of a missed opportunity, which I cannot recall ever being in the public domain:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-Lindsay.html

    Sub-titled:
    Bedfordshire police failed to follow up an armed incident involving a car used by one of the July 7 bombers five weeks before the bombings, the inquest has heard.
    Data management is a key issue, although this article is not new, it illustrates the LE aspects:http://www.fipr.org/terrorismdetention.pdf

    Previous related SWC thread on 7/7: Interagency Coordination http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ead.php?t=6270
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    Default 7/7 Inquest concludes

    The judge-led coroner's inquest on the 7/7 Bombings has reported in full and has caused some comment.

    The BBC report:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12629441

    A senior officer from the MI5 intelligence service gave evidence anonymously, and said that while two of the bombers had been on the agency's radar, they could not have been stopped.

    Although officials initially had said they had no advance knowledge of the bombers, inquiries revealed that Khan and Tanweer had been under surveillance as part of an investigation into an earlier, foiled, bomb plot.

    They were never pursued because officials were overwhelmed with other threats perceived to be more serious.
    From:http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011..._r=1&ref=world

    A more detailed analyst's comment on the evidence, written before today, gives more detail:http://raffaellopantucci.com/2011/04...2005-bombings/
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    Default Birmingham: terror plot

    A few weeks police in Birmingham arrested eight people, who were later charged with terrorism offences and seven men kept in custody:
    Four of the men were charged with preparing for an act of terrorism in the UK, and two with failing to disclose information.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15113378

    This week four young men were arrested, in part two of the investigation, now known as Operation Pitsford and they too have been charged:
    They are accused of collecting money for terrorism, travelling to Pakistan for terrorism training and travelling abroad to commit acts of terrorism. They have been charged with engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorist acts contrary to section 5(1) of the Terrorism Act 2006, a force spokesman said.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15798572

    While this may have only local, British implications I do wonder if it will have an impact on the decision to base the US Olympic track team in Birmingham. There was speculation a week ago that the USA had some concerns overs security in London:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...-security-2012
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    (Reuters) - Britain's top soldier warned on Wednesday that pro-democracy uprisings in the Middle East could spawn militant Islamist activity in Britain, but said the greatest threat was economic.

    In his end-of-year analysis of the dangers facing Britain, the chief of the defense staff, General David Richards, said the Arab Spring could stir unrest in Britain's immigrant communities.

    "(There is) the risk that the Arab awakening leads to fissures and internal conflict that could be exported, including militant Islamism," Richards told a defense thinktank, the Royal United Services Institute, in London.

    "They have diasporas reaching back to this country, as does Pakistan and other states struggling with instability."
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7BD2AM20111214



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    Default The bookseller and incitement to acts of terrorism

    For many years the Jihadist bookshop 'Maktabah al-Ansar' in Sparkhill, in East Birmingham had a certain notoriety, with repeated police search warrants and finally in February 2007 property was seized that enabled a prosecution in October 2011. The bookshop being described by the prosecutor as:
    This case is about the distribution of books and DVDs and other material which we say represent steps along the road to radicalisation of Muslims to engage in violent terrorist attacks around the world, including the UK....This case is also about the ways and means by which to solidify that radicalisation and provide practical assistance for those who have been radicalised. To encapsulate it in a single phrase, this case is about priming people for terrorism...now serving long prison sentences, having been found guilty of plotting to terrorise the British public
    Link:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oc...ople-terrorism

    At the trial several expert witnesses appeared for the prosecution and yesterday one of them authored a very significant article IMHO. This is the headline and sub-title:
    This bookseller deserved his incitement to terrorism conviction (followed by) I was a witness in Ahmed Faraz's trial – this is the first time anyone involved has spoken about what really happened
    Adding:
    Much of the media discussion of the trial treated the texts as if they were translations of originals. In fact, all of the original texts had been doctored or adulterated in extremist ways....Throughout, the authority of the Qur'an and the Hadith (sayings of the Prophet) was invoked in false, de-contextualised ways to justify acts of violence against innocent people. The texts and videos divided the world strictly into the realm of "pure" Islam – godliness, virtue and knowledge – and the world of "pure" disbelief (kufr) – vice, godlessness and ignorance (jahiliyyah).
    Link:http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ism-conviction

    The bookseller's conviction:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16149299

    A contrary viewpoint on the conviction is here:http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourking...ady-chatterley
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    For many years the Jihadist bookshop 'Maktabah al-Ansar' in Sparkhill, in East Birmingham had a certain notoriety, with repeated police search warrants and finally in February 2007 property was seized that enabled a prosecution in October 2011.
    David, so it took from February 2007 to October 2011 to get these people to court? Does any sane person believe the 'war on terror' can be won like this?
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