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    I'm pretty skecpitcal about this body-bomb story. It started off the bomb was in his arse (plausible I guess) but now it appears to have reversed up his digestive tract. The Saudis claim it was in fact hidden in his underwear.

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    "It sounds almost like drunk logic, where an idea sounds great until the next morning and you're sober, going, 'Noooo, that won't work,'" said Paul Worsey, a Missouri University of Science and Technology researcher and inventor of explosives. "Unless you're actually hugging somebody, nobody's going to get badly hurt."

    "The force of such an explosion would be in the direction of the easiest exit," he said, laughing off the threat. "The rest of the body would work like a sandbag against the blast ... though it would be a mess."
    Sounds like a media feedback loop. Stomach story first appeared in The Scotsman on Sunday, then picked up by wider press.

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    I'm pretty skecpitcal about this body-bomb story. It started off the bomb was in his arse (plausible I guess) but now it appears to have reversed up his digestive tract. The Saudis claim it was in fact hidden in his underwear.
    You can be skeptical, but these bombs are available on the open market.

    http://www.fakecrap.com/products/fart_bombs.html

    http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_61441ffq9k_b

    This is true 4GW stuff, they even have instructions on line so home grown terrorists can produce their bombs. I'm surprised the FBI hasn't pulled these off the web yet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idfOGItekaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    You can be skeptical, but these bombs are available on the open market.

    http://www.fakecrap.com/products/fart_bombs.html

    http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_61441ffq9k_b

    This is true 4GW stuff, they even have instructions on line so home grown terrorists can produce their bombs. I'm surprised the FBI hasn't pulled these off the web yet.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idfOGItekaw
    I stand corrected

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    I do think the "nobody's going to get badly hurt" comment should be amended. The guy who detonated the bomb may not be anyone terribly important but he's still someone, and could be expected to experience some passing discomfort. Then of course there's the lasting scars on whoever had the job of cleaning up after...

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    Rethinking Which Terror Groups to Fear
    None. I refuse to play into their cards.

    Why should I fear any of them? The road in front of my window is much more likely to harm me or anyone else in my vicinity. I don't fear it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    None. I refuse to play into their cards.

    Why should I fear any of them? The road in front of my window is much more likely to harm me or anyone else in my vicinity. I don't fear it either.
    So true. I just watched this 30 minute TED-clip where during the interview at the end the same reflection is made.
    Nothing that results in human progress is achieved with unanimous consent. (Christopher Columbus)

    All great truth passes through three stages: first it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
    (Arthur Schopenhauer)

    ONWARD

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    There are also articles about it.
    We grossly mis-allocate our resources (including the finite resource of attention).

    http://www.counterpunch.org/goekler03242009.html

    Imagine, then, what might happen if we simply quit listening to the scaremongers and those who profit from our paranoia. Imagine what the world could look like if we made a conscious choice to live out whatever time we have with courage, compassion, service and joy.

    Terrorism is an act of the weak. But so is walking through the airport in our socks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwigrunt View Post
    So true. I just watched this 30 minute TED-clip where during the interview at the end the same reflection is made.
    Fascinating. Thanks
    Fear them? No. They (Islamic terrorist) are a problem to be dealt with.

    Rand Corp.: Unconquerable Nation Knowing Our Enemy, Strengthening Ourselves
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    Also Freerepublic.com: Keyword UnconquerableNation


    CHAPTER ONE How We Prevail: Secret Service agents gunned down the first team of assassins before they got to the President, but it was a close call. A second team of gunmen managed to get into the House of Representatives, where they wounded five congressmen. A terrorist bomb caused damage but no casualties at the Senate. Troops took up positions at the Capitol and the White House, both of which had been set ablaze. By sundown, Washington was sliding out of control; columns of black smoke could be seen for miles. Authorities were unable to save the White House, which was completely destroyed by fire.

    In New York City, a huge vehicle bomb exploded on Wall Street, killing 33 people and wounding more than 400. Another bomb exploded in downtown Los Angeles, killing at least 20. Yet another bomb killed and maimed hundreds in the heartland. An explosion leveled a Texas town, while fires destroyed most of Chicago and San Francisco.

    That was not as bad, however, as an inexplicable deadly epidemic that hit the nation’s capital in the summer. By autumn, onetenth of the city’s population had died. Similar deadly outbreaks swept across the country. Nationwide, 1 in 200 Americans died. Cities announced their own blockades against those fleeing the stricken areas. The fabric of society was unraveling with riots and looting.

    Following riots, the Army patrolled the streets in Washington, Detroit, and Los Angeles; 120,000 people were interned as potential subversives. The worst crisis, however, was the receipt of a credible nuclear threat.

    All this is not some hypothetical future terrorist scenario invented by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to test preparedness, the screenplay for a new Hollywood disaster thriller, or a survivalist fantasy. All of the events listed above, in fact, occurred during the course of America’s history. In 1950, assassins tried to rush Blair House, where President Truman was staying while renovations were under way at the White House. In 1954, terrorists opened fire on the House of Representatives. A bomb caused heavy damage to the Senate in 1983. And British troops burned down the White House and part of the newly constructed Capitol building in 1814, when only a rainstorm saved the rest of Washington.

    A horse-drawn cart filled with explosives (an early vehicle bomb) blew up on Wall Street in 1920, and suspected members of the Dynamite Conspiracy set off a huge bomb in Los Angeles in 1910. Timothy McVeigh’s bomb killed 168 people in Oklahoma City in 1995. In 1947, a ship loaded with nitrate fertilizer blew up, leveling Texas City. The city of Chicago was destroyed by fire in 1871. San Francisco was destroyed by fire following the 1906 earthquake. In 1793, yellow fever killed 5,000 people, one-tenth of the total population of Philadelphia, which at the time was the nation’s capital. Subsequent yellow fever and cholera outbreaks killed thousands in American cities during the nineteenth century, but none of these outbreaks compared with the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918–1919, which killed approximately 600,000 people in the United States and between 25 and 50 million worldwide. Race riots required calling out the National Guard and federal troops in a number of cities in the second half of the twentieth century. I personally watched the columns of smoke through a train window as the train pulled out of Union Station in Washington, DC, on April 14, 1968, at the beginning of the widespread race riots following the assassination of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. During World War II, 120,000 Japanese-Americans were interned.

    (Snip)

    There has been too much fearmongering since 9/11. We are not a nation of victims cowering under the kitchen table. We cannot expect protection against all risk. Too many Americans have died defending liberty for us to easily surrender it now to terror. We should heed the admonition that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt delivered in his 1933 inaugural address: “Let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance.” It should not be fear that propels us, but confidence that we will ultimately prevail. We have never been driven forward by fear. At our best, we have been defined by our visions.

    (Snip)

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