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    Once again Pakistan takes the US$ and condemns the USA, even when it strikes 'militants' who kill hundreds, thousands of its citizens, including a number of ISI staff and security forces:
    Yesterday, after the US launched a drone strike in South Waziristan that reportedly killed a Haqqani Newtork commander known as Abdullah Haqqani and an al Qaeda leader, the spokeswoman for Pakistan's Foreign Ministry condemned the attack.

    The Pakistani government even denounced a US strike that killed Hakeemullah Mehsud, the previous leader of the al Qaeda-linked Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Pakistanis.
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    Par for the course, but the really interesting questions are:
    1. Does the US regard such condemnations as ritualistic and perhaps necessary for public consumption, while General Bobby and friends happily cooperate with the US where it matters?
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    2. The US regards these condemnations as hypocritical and at least mildly harmful, but bites its lip in the interest of X or Y higher cause; the overall situation still being positive?
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    3. The US hates these condemnations and would shut them down in a minute if it could, but its badly stuck and is desperate for a face-saving exit. So a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

    Inquiring minds want to know (but probably wont be told openly by anyone who matters).

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    One of the rare reports from North Waziristan, yes by a Pakistani reporter and one must assume either embedded or hosted by the Pakistani Army, It opens with:
    Once described as the “epicentre of terrorism”, Miramshah is now reduced to mere rubble. The long row of hotels that had sprung up over the last few years and had been used by foreign militants as rest and relaxation centres have been blown up by air strikes and heavy artillery fire.
    It ends in part with:
    But unfortunately, it is a forgotten war for our political leadership. As one officer lamented: “It is painful to pick up every day the bodies of our fellow soldiers and young officers often blown into pieces by IEDs, but it is more agonising to hear some politicians sympathising with the killers.”
    Link:http://www.dawn.com/news/1145359
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    Zahid Hussain is a very good reporter, but the officer's quote is a bit rich; blaming the civilian politicians for not being on-board with this war. Who was hosting, protecting, arming, training, supporting all these Jihadi organizations (the big daddies like Haqqanis and Gul Bahadur in particular) for the last 25 years?
    The army is the only institution that can do the job, so everyone has to support them when and if they do move against one of their former comrades, but to criticize the civilians for not being ardent enough in this task is a bit much....

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    Default Karachi: 20m people, 15k police and one dead every day

    A short BBC report on policing in Pakistan's biggest city, based on a World Service programme. A very thin "blue line" and as for the courts, incredible:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30115827

    Starts with:
    Pakistan's police are on the front line battling the Taliban. Not just in the remote north of the country, near the border with Afghanistan, but in Karachi, the country's economic and cultural heart.

    He is open about the use of what he calls "arm twisting". He admits waterboarding is sometimes used, and I spot a taser gun in his hand although I do not witness him using it...

    It can often take 10 years or more for a case to go through the courts.
    Nothing startling if you know about policing there, but a good illustration of how Pakistan works, plus comments from a suspected Taliban member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    A short BBC report on policing in Pakistan's biggest city, based on a World Service programme. A very thin "blue line" and as for the courts, incredible:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30115827

    Starts with:

    Nothing startling if you know about policing there, but a good illustration of how Pakistan works, plus comments from a suspected Taliban member.

    From a Pakistani PhD student who grew up in the Swat Valley and did his university time in Karachi: It is quite common that in some neighborhoods family re-unions gone wrong or religious disputes cause dozens of dead and injured people. Ten dead people per night are considered BAU according to him.

    He was realy surprised that an Austrian city of 300.000 can be run without obvious police presence and almost could not believe that this city has only 6 homicide victims per year.

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    Perhaps just a quick comparision with the US LE deaths:

    There are more than 900,000 sworn law enforcement officers now serving in the United States, which is the highest figure ever. About 12 percent of those are female.
    Roughly 150 per year, 1 out of 6000. It is difficult to break down the numbers, but certainly accidents played a big role with fifty percent not being that wide off. Suicides are surprisingly close to the sum of all other causes of death, if one can believe various sources. Actually in 2012 they were a bigger cause of death the all those suffered during duty.*

    2012 Fatalities

    In 2012, traffic incidents were the leading cause of officer fatalities, as they have been for 14 of the last 15 years.

    But at the same time, 2012 had the lowest number of law enforcement officers to die in traffic-related incidents since 1991 (with 43 fatalities).
    If we take 300 deaths per year from a 15,000 strong force 1 out of 50 from the Karachi LE doesn't make it.

    BTW: I tried to find European figures, but there only seem to be national ones. In any case forty years ago after a sensational 'Bild' report the Spiegel quoted:

    Denn während für 1974 (bezogen auf je 100 000 Vollbeschäftigte) die Berufsgenossenschaft Seefahrt 157 Todesfälle meldete, die der Binnenschiffer 127, der Bergbau 103 und der Tiefbau 47, verzeichnete die Polizeistatistik mit 17,8 einen Wert, der nur um 0,1 über dem des Jahres 1965 lag. Im Vergleich mit dem Risiko anderer Professionen. folgern die Soziologen, "liegt das der Vollzugsbeamten auf einem unteren Rangplatz", vor allem: Es ist in letzter Zeit kaum nennenswert gestiegen.
    One profession suffered almost ten times the deaths per capita. Of course one should have used a couple of years and only big groups to, but it is fair to say that other occupations are in the Western world considerably more life-threatening then being a police officer. For an European officer wearing a seat belt might be more important then using body armour...

    Things are obviously quite different in Karachi.

    *Some details remain unclear.
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    Default Peshawar school massacre: will it change anything?

    It is the ever most terrible and grieved event taking place in Peshawar, Pakistan that resulted in the loss of 143 lives and 150 injured. Among the deaths included more than 130 School Children, belonging to upper class families in Peshawar (PAK Army officers, Government officials and famous Political leaders), two young female School Teachers, a Professor of mathematics and the School Principal were martyred. The Tehrik Taliban Pakistan based in FATA (which is a lawless area in Pakistan), claimed the responsibility for this event.

    Terrorism Background: Geographically and politically, Pakistan is placed in a region of great tension influenced by both the immediate neighbors and global powers and is playing a key role in matters of global security. However, many crimes are faced as a result of careless management of refugees and illegal immigrants (including more than 7 millions from Afghanistan, Iran, Burma, Bangladesh and India) and the internally displaced people from the lawless regions in Pakistan.

    The internal terrorism is on rise since the October 2001 that made number of productive activities meant for socio-economic development, uncompetitive both in the domestic and international markets resulting in employment and businesses insecurity. The total number of Pakistani killed in crimes and terrorism in the last decade is around 60,000 and more than 200,000 injured; more than 1.50 millions affected; critical facilities and infrastructures destroyed; many people have been disappeared. All these have terrorized and traumatized every other individual, resulting in increase in unemployment and poverty, inclination of people towards unfair means and crimes, harmful effects on developing community programmes, brain drain to foreign countries.

    Description of the Incident: This particular event on Tuesday 16 December 2014 is carried out at the Army Public School Peshawar by a group of about eight terrorists (of age 25 to 30 years) dressed in the Frontier Corps uniform (a paramilitary in the KP Province), warring suicide jackets and carrying very large ammunition of latest technology. These terrorists entered the school from the graveyard at the backside at around 11 AM, killing three security guards, talking to each other in Pashto and Arabic. The school at that time was full of around two thousands students. The terrorists first entered the auditorium that was full of students (particularly of 8th and 10th class) busy in taking examinations. The terrorists started indiscriminate firing towards the students. Since the terrorists entered from the backside, some of the students run outside ground to escape. However, the terrorists stormed the ground, killing all the students, some of the students escaped being injured while few uninjured and went out of the school gate. The terrorists entered then the examination hall, where the 11th class students were busy in taking examination, and started indiscriminate firing – killing and injuring all (in the hall, those who run outside ground) where only few escaped unharmed and went out of the school gate. The terrorists when stormed the ground floor of the school, entered each and every classroom and laboratory (on the ground and the first floor) and killed everyone found – few of the students and staff fortunately escaped the deaths. The terrorists conducted the operation very promptly and rushed to escape. However, the Pakistan Army (quick response force) arrived soon, starting the counter-attack, and exchanged fire with the terrorists. The terrorists injured in the fire exchange blowed up themselves, resulting also in the deaths of more school children. The counter attacks by PAK Army were continued till evening - all the terrorists were targeted by PAK Army forces from outside the school through windows, ventilators whereas quick response forces that entered the school killed three of the terrorists.

    Event Relevance: The ISPR (military media) reported that the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) in his interview to the media stated that the terrorists were carrying large amount of weapons and foodstuff sufficient for some days. The COAS mentioned that the PAK Army has identified the terrorists, the group to which they belong to and the place from where this operation was controlled. The Tehrik-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) spokesman Khalid Khurasani contacted the media through telephone that this operation was carried out in response to the Zarb-e-Azab operation that has been launched by PAK Army in June 2014 in the Northern Waziristan near Afghan border. Early morning the TTP Leader (Amir) Fazl Ullah telephoned one of the TV Channels Bureau Chief that in a few while He (Fazl Ullah) is attacking a school in Peshawar. The Bureau Chief reported that He (Fazl Ullah) ordered the terrorists to particularly target the children those belonging to the families of Pakistan Armed Forces and government high officials. The COAS went to Kabul, Afghanistan today (early morning) to demand the Afghanistan Government to handover TTP Leader Fazl Ullah. Since, He (Fazl Ullah) has warned of launching further attacks.

    Event Impacts: The Prime Minister and other high-level political leaders arrived in Peshawar yesterday on the request of the PM. The PM in his address at the Peshawar KP Assembly said that this coward acts cannot diminish our will to eliminate terrorism. The PM mentioned that such acts of cowardice will not deter our resolve against terrorism and said that the Zarb-e-Azb operation will continue till the extermination of the last terrorist. The PM also ordered the KP Government to hang-till-death all those prisoners, which have been involved in various past terrorism activities and have been found guilty. The execution will be started within the next 48 Hrs.; it is to discourage the terrorism practices in the country.
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    Default Peshawar school massacre: will it change anything

    The Tehreek-e-Taliban's (TTP) murderous attack on an Army Public School @ Peshawar, is being widely reported - with 132 children and 9 staff killed. For details:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30507836

    SWC has followed events in Pakistan for a long time now, sometimes angry, often frustrated and frequently puzzled at the actions of an 'ally'. I suspect some will say nothing will change, so embedded is tolerance of some non-state violent actors within the Pakistani state.

    In my reading I found these commentaries useful. First Zoha Waseem, a Pakistani @ KIngs War Studies:http://strifeblog.org/2014/12/16/ove...shawar-attack/

    It includes the TTP explanation for the attack:
    Our suicide bombers have entered the school. They have instructions not to harm the children, but to target the army personnel. We targeted the school because the army targets our families. We want them to feel out pain. It’s a revenge attack for the army offensive in North Waziristan.
    Shashank Joshi, of RUSI, provides the wider, public context based on Pew's opinion polling earlier this year:http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/...CC=3009934309&

    ....8% of surveyed Pakistanis held a favourable view of the TTP. This is a small proportion, and belies the notion of widespread popularity. Nonetheless, on a crude extrapolation, it would amount to a staggering 14 million Pakistanis. Although a much larger slice of the population holds negative views of the Taliban (59%), this disapproval rate has fallen steadily from a high of 70% in 2009....
    Finally Imran Awan, a British academic, calmly points aout the difference between Islam and terror:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/imra...?utm_hp_ref=tw

    Personally I cannot see the stance of the whole Pakistani state changing, it may change the attitude of the Army to being far harder. The Pakistani public simply see India as the threat, regardless of how many Pakistanis die.
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    Is the indignation in Pakistan genuine and will it last?

    Sharif has said that there is no good Taliban.

    But has he acted?

    Hafeez Saeed the mastermind of the Mumbai carnage roams free even though he has been declared by the UN and the US as a terrorist. US has put a bounty on his head.

    Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, accused of planning the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai in which 166 people were killed six years ago has been granted bail.

    These are all cosmetic stuff. Nothing will change.

    Salmaan Taseer, 26th governor of the province of Punjab from 2008 was assassinated in early 2011 by his own security guard Mumtaz Qadri, who disagreed with Taseer's opposition to Pakistan's blasphemy law.

    The Jamaat Ahle Sunnat, an Islamic religious organisation representing the Barelvi movement, issued an advisory against mourning his death. They also declared Qadri a "hero of the Muslim world."

    Pakistan A Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan commander in South Waziristan said that Taseer would have been assassinated anyway "very soon" even if he had not been killed by Qadri.

    Politicians of Pakistan 'mourned' his death, but the Govt remained impotent and scared.

    Those who understand the Pakistan psyche will know that a leopard can't change its spots.

    Hilary Clinton has warned Pakistan by stating "It's like that old story - you can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbours. Eventually those snakes are going to turn on whoever has them in the backyard",

    Clinton said this during a joint news conference with Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar.

    Pak Army and the ISI has spawned the Taliban for strategic reasons.

    But these depraved people the Taliban has bitten the hand that feeds by killing children of the Army that sponsors them.

    Will the Army forgive?

    Maybe since they have strategic reasons to foist a 'strategic weapon' of their creation even if it is a Frankenstein.

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    Is there a difference between Islam and Terror?

    Must be, but the whole image is blurring since the Islamic countries and people themselves are doing sweet nothing to rein in these elements or make strident campaigns against those, who they claim is giving Islam a 'bad name'.

    The passivity translates as unsaid unequivocal support.

    They have even taken on Australia. It is cute to call it a 'lone wolf' attack. Lone Wolf? What made him join the wolf pack is what is the million dollar question that requires to be nipped in the bud and not get into political correctness of calling it a 'lone wolf' issues.

    Too many 'lone wolves' seem to be howling at the Moon of Islam world ascendancy.

    It is time for the world to smell the coffee and be serious about this scourge.

    Islam has it place and it must be given its space. But it cannot transcend on others' space either.

    The fundamentalist Islam is spawning neo Nazis around the world and that too is dangerous.

    Germany recently had a Neo Nazi march that was well attended by even those who were not sympathisers. People around the world are getting radicalised because of the Islam aggressive advent and activities.

    It is time to make the world an area of peace and not of strife on stupid reasons.

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    Imran Awan, a British academic is the typical fraud cloaking his thoughts with fraudulent ideas claiming Killed for Simply Going to School, Don't Blame Religion - Blame Terror

    Good man, who sponsored Terror in the first place. Let's go back to that Machiavellian bloke Zia, who pampered Islamists to give legitimacy to his illegitimate government?

    And why has religion not fought back against those who terrorise in the name of religion, if that is false in Islam?

    His contention is the stupidity that is perpetrated by this so called 'intellectuals' to divert from the crux of the issue. Islam is a religion of Peace! If so, do something and go after them and annihilate them, so that there is Peace. Sticks and Stones can alone harm them, woolly woolly esoteric talk wont.
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    Short Answer: No.

    Long answer: http://brownpundits.blogspot.com/201...mes-again.html

    Excerpts:

    There has been an explosion of outrage in Pakistan. Even Imran Khan managed to condemn the TTP by name (though PTI's offical account still tweeted that "Whoever" did this, did something awful). The Pakistani state has reportedly stuck back already at Taliban targets. The PM and the army chief have promised action (and are likely sincere, as far as that goes). The media has condemned the attack. Social media has been on fire. So far so good.
    But within hours, the narrative has already started to fracture. First the media groups managed to invite people like Hamid Gul, Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Abdul Aziz (of Red mosque fame) to comment on this terrorist attack. And they managed to muddle the issue with references to the Indian hand and the eternal enemies of Pakistan (Afghanistan, Jews, America, that sort of thing). And on ARY (the most pro-army of Pakistan's many pro-army channels) the anchors themselves have been leading the charge. Mubasher Lucman, for example, angrily demanded that the first step needed at this time was to ban Indian overflights to Afghanistan! Top Military propagandist Ahmed Qureshi and loonies like Zaid Hamid have been busy blustering about how India will be made to pay for this latest atrocity.
    The more things change. .

    I wrote a piece three and a half years ago about the Pakistani anti-terror narrative and it's confusions and it is depressing to find that little or nothing needs to be changed in that article. The entire piece, unedited, is pasted at the end of this post.

    There is a lot of talk about how this particular horrendous event is SO horrendous that now things really HAVE to change. Maybe. But do keep in mind that this is not the first mass casualty attack. There have been attacks on the Marriot hotel, an Ahmedi mosque, a volleyball match, a meena bazar, a church, even a mosque near GHQ (where the son of a corps commander was among the civilian victims killed in cold blood). And of course there have been countless massacres of Hazara and other Shias. Literally thousands of people have died in these attacks. But until now, there is no evidence that the army has changed it's basic "good terrorist/bad terrorist" policy. Terrorists who kill schoolchildren and shoot up railway stations in Kabul and Mumbai are good. Terrorists who kill children in Pakistan are bad. That policy has not worked for 13 years. It is not going to start working now.

    How can we tell that GHQ is really changing policy:

    1. Ahmed Qureshi and Zaid Hamid are suddenly out of a job and publicly disowned by the army.
    2. Omar Saeed Sheikh, who was sentenced to death years ago for the killing of Daniel Pearl (a terrorist act he may not have committed, though he has surely committed many others). He has not been hanged. In fact there are intermittent reports of him living it up in prison. If he is hanged, that will be a sign of change. Especially since his handler was the famous brigadier Ejaz Shah (a close associate of the father of the double game, Pervez Musharraf himself).
    3. Mumbai attackers rapid trial and punishment. Outside of Pakistan, everybody and their aunt knows that a group of ten terrorists from Pakistan landed in Mumbai in 2008 and cold bloodedly killed a 168 innocent people. In a famous picture, one of the attackes is calmly walking down the platform at Mumbai Railway station, shooting random civilians sitting on the platform.

    Because of international pressure, the FIA (federal investigation agency) in Pakistan actually carried out a very thorough inquiry in Pakistan and identified several people who arranged things for the killers, who trained them, who sent them on their way. The FIA may not have reached all the way to the top, but they certainly made a case against some of the lower level people involved. But 6 years have passed and the trial of these terrorists has not moved forward. The prosecutor has been shot dead. And the supposed military mastermind (Zaki ur Rahman Lakhvi of the JUD/LET) is living it up in prison, and reportedly even got married and conceived a child in prison. If the army has changed it's mind about terrorism, then the trial of these terrorists has to move forward.

    Unless you see some of these happenings, things will go back to "normal" ....

    A dissenting note about the double game from a friend on facebook:
    no, not a double game any more. they are being played by the taliban now, manipulating the internecine fault-lines inside the ISI and the army. they don't mind a few casualties in the mountains, if that is the price (in fact their foot-soldiers welcome the chance for martyrdom). they have the indomitable resolution of a madman doing god's work, while the army has the emptied ideology of a failed religious state being devoured by corruption. by day the generals pay hollow homage to the motherland and at night send tithes to their new fathers in the mountains, hoping to buy personal protection from the next suicide attack for themselves and their families.

    A more sober take from the redoubtable Ahsan Butt on Five Rupees.

    POSTSCRIPT: it is not looking good for those who thought some great sea change is coming. The script on the media has changed on PTV and to some extent on GEO, but remains the same on other channels and especially on the army's favorite channels like ARY and Dunya..... Blame India, CIA and the Jews. Invite Hafiz Saeed, Hamid Gul and other similar jokers to fog everything up. Bomb someone in the tribal areas and generate suspiciously exact body counts.
    Until the next bombing.
    Unfortunately it does look like the song remains the same...

    Postscript2: Got some feedback from people focused on the role of Islam in these outrages. I would like to emphasize that while various forms of Islamism are causing problems in many parts of the world, Islam is NOT the proximate cause of the choices made by the Pakistani establishment. Hard Paknationalism is the primary driver. Someone like Musharraf (father of the infamous double-game) was not too bothered about Islam. What caused him to maintain the Taliban and other Jihadist groups was Paknationalism; specifically the "hard paknationalist" belief that we have to defeat India and to do that we need certain force multipliers/strategic-assets/deniable-non-state-actors and the Jihadis are the only people who will do that job. It is this belief that drives the "good-taliban/bad-Taliban" policy and the double games it entails. Commitment to fundamentalist Islam has little or nothing to do with it. (though of course, no Islam, no partition in the first place, so there are other turtles below the first one)...


    Btw, Zaki ur Rahman Lakhvi's bail was approved today. Talk about timing and messaging. The message is clear. We have Uncle Sam over a barrel. Nothing is going to change.

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    A very analytical post by omarali50.

    worth note.

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    The BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones comments:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30520596

    Shashank Joshi has an article in the FT (behind a registration wall) and this paragraph, which alas illustrates all too well the problem in Pakistan:
    When General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s former military dictator, argued on Wednesday that India should be held responsible for the previous day’s massacre, he was only echoing a wave of similar delusion on social media. From there, it is a short step to the view that the solution is more LeT, more Haqqanis and more Afghan Taliban — whatever the price to innocent civilians.
    Link:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9fc7bb30-8...#axzz3MIFBDs9R

    Twitter reports that the death warrants for six Pakistani convicted terrorists have been signed by the Army Chief of Staff; they were convicted in military courts and security is being increaded @ Karachi Jail, where they are held - prior to execution.
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    Default Pakistani air strike on TTP No.1 in Afghanistan

    On Twitter based on a Pakistan MoD Tweet:
    TTP commander Fazal Ullah was killed in an airstrike carried out by PAF jets inside Afghanistan......The SSG operators have now responded with the visual confirmation of the dead body of TTP commander Fazal Ullah.
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    Also from a Pakistani MoD Tweet and this will make the pakistani people think:
    PM Sharif signs death penalty for 122 terrorists who were awaiting death sentences due to Moratorium.

    (Earlier) 8 more terrorists to be hanged anytime soon. Death warrants received by Jail Superintendents.
    BBC background on the then possible hangings:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30556260
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    Three articles from Pakistan. The first by a human rights advocate notes the label 'terrorist' by their courts is not very accurate:
    ..the government’s proposal to start executing so-called ‘terrorists’ on Pakistan’s 8,000 strong death row would be a shameful and inadequate reaction, which will neither help the victims of this week’s atrocity nor improve the security situation in Pakistan.
    Link:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...are-we-hanging

    In 'Who is who of top 18 death row prisoners?' the writer ponders who will hang? Maybe even Daniel Pearl's murderer:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...-row-prisoners

    'It wasn't the final atrocity' is a commentary on what Pakistan needs:
    No security measures can ever prevent attacks on soft targets. The only possible solution is to change mindsets. For this we must grapple with three hard facts. First, let’s openly admit that the killers are not outsiders or infidels. Instead, they are fighting a war for the reason Boko Haram fights in Nigeria, IS in Iraq and Syria, Al Shabab in Kenya, etc. The men who slaughtered our children are fighting for a dream — to destroy Pakistan as a Muslim state and recreate it as an Islamic state....

    Second, Pakistan must scorn and punish those who either support terrorism publicly or lie to us about the identity of terrorists.....

    Third, if Pakistan is to be at peace with itself then it must seek peace with its neighbours and begin disassembling the apparatus of jihad. The bitter truth is that you reap what you sow.
    Link:http://www.dawn.com/news/1151930/it-...final-atrocity
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    Former ambassador Hussain Haqqani has summed up all my arguments and more in much better format. MUST READ

    http://www.hudson.org/research/10885-state-of-delusion

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    if you are interested in GHQ's preferred messaging, here is the man himself

    https://storify.com/omarali50/ahmed-...hawar-massacre

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    For anyone who can understand urdu. Outstanding speech. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=761289083962711

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    From Zoha Waseem's Twitter (Kings War Studies PhD student):
    In 2014 at least 1816 civilians and at least 140 police officers were killed in Karachi due to crime and terrorism-related violence.
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