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    This article in Esquire is interesting and informative. It is also very much an icon for the disconnect in American thinking regarding war, warfare, and the very real fight on the ground in Afghanistan. There is the appeal of a sterile, almost absurdly clean fight from a console in the United States; no sweat in your eyes or down your back from body armor. No stench of raw sewage, blood, or decayed flesh, the greatest irritant perhaps a pesky fly on the display (you don't need to worry about where or what it might have just crawled on). It is at once obviously deceptive but nonetheless appealing, especially to those who seek seduction...

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    We've Seen the Future, and It's Unmanned


    October 14, 2009, 8:30 AM
    By Brian Mockenhaupt

    Every so often in history, something profound happens that changes warfare forever. Next year, for the first time ever, the Pentagon will buy more unmanned aircraft than manned, line-item proof that we are in a new age of fighting machines, in which war will be ever more abstract, ever more distant, and ruthlessly efficient.


    The war begins each day on the long drive into the desert, just past the Super Buffet and the Home Depot and the Petco, and the swath of look-alike houses that cling to the city's edge, along the forty miles of the strangest daily commute in America. Air Force Staff Sergeant Charles Anderson plucks his wristwatch from the cupholder and crosses into the war zone. He wears the watch only at work, and the ritual shifts his thoughts away from the everyday, which lately has been occupied by wedding plans and house hunting.

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    Airmen have been selling this since the 20's. War made clean and easy. This latest installment has the added appeal of computer technology and remote control. For many people it is the answer to an age old dream. For others it is too good to be true and will lead us astray. I think the historical record is on the side of the skeptics. But, like you said, a lot of people want to be seduced.
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    We are the ultimate asymmetric warriors.

    Something I find a bit ironic as I sit among senior DoD leadership, agonizing and wrist-wringing over some latest "asymmetric" capability developed by some competitor as if it was some dirty, underhanded approach to warfare as we choose to define it.

    America has always been on the leading edge of asymmetry. Always looking for some new angle in terms of tactics, technology or firepower to gain an advantage or reduce the human risk to warfare.

    The ultimate American Asymmetric warrior was Ike. Why compete head to head with the massive Soviet Army in Europe when we could build a much cheaper, cleaner, less manpower dependent Air Force, equipped with the fastest planes, the most accurate missiles, and the most powerful nuclear weapons?

    So, as we agonize over the latest tricks the Chinese, quite wisely, and so American-like, pull out of their silk sleeves; we would do well to remember that while this is a trick the old dog already knew, it is also one the we reminded them of the effectiveness of it in our application.

    Yes, we are Americans, and we are asymmetric warriors.

    The cautionary tale is, that we do not fall too in love with, or become too reliant on this emerging bit of asymmetry as we did with our infatuation with air power in the 40s and 50s. God favors the side with the greatest control of the air, but it will always be a supporting arm to that dirty, scared, hungry, tired soldier/marine, sweating/freezing his ass of far below on some contested piece of ground.
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    I forgot one thing. It is detail that is forgotten when speaking of the wonders of drones. I remember reading that in Rhodesia and Vietnam, scout pilots in light fixed wing airplanes could see and detect quite small detail, footprints even. Quite amazing things once they got the hang of it. I wonder if the drones will ever get that good, for that tiny field of view that they have seems like a big limitation.
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    Something I find a bit ironic as I sit among senior DoD leadership, agonizing and wrist-wringing over some latest "asymmetric" capability developed by some competitor as if it was some dirty, underhanded approach to warfare as we choose to define it.
    Amen brother. It is life saving when we do it; ignoble on the part of our enemies when we face it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carl View Post
    I forgot one thing. It is detail that is forgotten when speaking of the wonders of drones. I remember reading that in Rhodesia and Vietnam, scout pilots in light fixed wing airplanes could see and detect quite small detail, footprints even. Quite amazing things once they got the hang of it. I wonder if the drones will ever get that good, for that tiny field of view that they have seems like a big limitation.
    When I left active duty back in '92 and joined the Oregon National Guard, I had the pleasure to get to know and work with Colonel Larry Brown. When you see a guy with 3 Silver Stars and 4 Distinguished Flying Crosses on his chest, he stands out in a crowd. When you find out he earned them in three tours of flying scout helicopters with the Air Cav in 'Nam, and was shot down at least 6 times, you know he earned them.

    As a 19 year-old warrant officer on his first tour, he earned the nickname "Super Scout" from his commander one day, when in the pursuit of a fleeing band of the enemy, he hovered low over a patch of muddy trail covered in a jumble of fresh footprints. Applying skills he had devloped as a kid (ok, he was still a kid) growing up in Oregon, he created a mental 6' box on the trail, counted the number of footprints and divided by two. He reported back the location, direction and number of enemy, and the Blues were put in place to interdict the enemy. When asked how he knew the number and if he had seen the enemy he explained what he had seen, and why he was pretty sure of their number. Lets just say his commander was skeptical.

    A while later the enemy ran into a well laid ambush based upon Larry's intel; and the body count matched his projection exactly. From that point forward he was, deservedly, Super Scout.

    I doubt we will grow any future Super Scouts flying UAVs, but then again, no one understands better than Larry just what a refugee from the laws of averages he is. We lost a hell of a lot of fine young men flying those missions, and if flying them from Nellis isn't quite as romantic or effective, well so be it.

    Here's to Larry, I doubt he'd begrudge these kids a bit, and would probably love to get his hands on their controls. Come to think of it, we probably need to be reaching out to guys like Larry to do just that.
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    Good article Tom, thanks for sharing. I work in the predator community now and think the article is accurate.

    As for the seduction part, I'm not so sure about that. For me, working on the PED side of predator ops (the intel processing, exploitation and dissemination), the distance from the battlefield is a bit strange and not at all seductive. I found the mental challenge of changing from an operational, wartime mentality to a civilian, peacetime mentality every 12 hours to be more difficult than I imaged. It's a bit surreal to come home after many hours following and killing some insurgents who killed some of our guys, to deal with the typical family and life issues we all face in the civilian world. Personally, I don't really like it and if it were up to me I would prefer to deploy. Better, IMO, to have my head totally in an operational mindset for a set period of time than all this switching back-and-forth. I'm still a part-timer though, so I can't complain, but I can see the burnout in people who've been doing this for two years straight.

    Beyond that, UAV's are certainly an asymmetric advantage for us, one we need to further exploit. There are still a lot of problems and challenges to overcome since pretty much everything in the community is constantly evolving but slowly we're getting there.

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    No I would not expect you to be seduced at all. And I know you are not because of what you say on here. The seduction part in my view is largely those outside the community of the knowledgeable who see an opportunity for a suddenly clean version of war.

    I can also understand the mental shift and the article does a pretty good job of portraying that. I would agree that in the interest of mindset alone, deployed or at least forward-based would ease some of that.

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