It is not PTSD.....it is his Belief System. And that has nothing to do with Islam. Whenever a personal believes that violence is an acceptable solution to a problem..... an attack will occur unless the original motive is dealt with. That is why after all the backround work is done it will be obviousthat an attack was coming but no one did anything.....most organizations never deal with the Original Motive For War as CvC would say......that was for you Wilf
Belief System - yes
but as to this:
"nothing to do with Islam" is not something we should assume. See above post by omarali50[*], which is excellent.from Slap
And that has nothing to do with Islam.
The simplest explanation is that the man was quite sane, spent time and meditation in developing the concept of defensive jihad (preventing non-Muslim troops from setting foot in Muslim lands) ala the extreme Salafists (e.g., AQ), and put that developed concept into practice.
Some (many ?) will not be able to handle that explanation if it turns out to be so. It would be a case of absolute betrayal by a field grade officer - treason in a very real sense even though he is unlikely to be charged with that.
An easier explanation for many to handle is the nutjob who snapped. Boondoggle (nice to see a post from you, ancient JA) is not endorsing that, but he does explain how that explanation could be developed.
I am waiting for the CID and FBI folks to complete their investigation - and I expect we will also have tons of media investigation and the inevitable punditry.
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[*] Nicely paragraphed. Now if you would put a space between the paragraphs, they would even be kinder on my old eyes.
1-Islam as a religion had nothing to do with it......as a belief system to justify his actions had a lot to do with it. See the difference?Originally Posted by jmm99
Hasan’s Officer Record Brief
Hasan’s Officer Record Brief was posted at This ain't hell, but you can see it from here.
Under Religion it states no religious preferance.
Can anyone's ORB be obtained and placed into the public domain legally (assuming the individual is in a coma and not in a position to give his approval)?
175 months of dwell time. Never seen that before.
Good question for which I don't know. I think someone with access probably sent it to the blog or to someone else who did. It has a SSN (the blogger blacked it out after a few people requested such in the comments). I'd like to think such records are not in the public domain but with FOIA and people seeking 15 minutes of fame when a big story breaks I think we will see more of this rather than less.
It is clear violation of the privacy act.
Slap and JMM got me thinking. I was wrong on the irrational part. I'll update my initial thoughts, blend in their observations, and we can see how it pans out. Like JMM suggested, this theory may be hard for some to accept.
1. Actor was Rational.
2. Actor had perceived grievances, or motive, or emotions.
3. Actor justified his actions through rational thought, decision making, and in belief that means justified the ends.
Actor could be this clown at Ft. Hood or a suicide bomber in Iraq.
Mike
The simplest explanation is this guy wanted out of the Army and he apparently had some legitimate claim to this, up to and including hiring an attorney to support his claim. When that failed and he was sent to Ft. Hood to be deployed somewhere......the path to murder became what he perceived as his only way to solve his problem. The 5 Rings of violence don't miss.
Col. Patrick Lang has the best analysis I've seen yet.
Read the whole thing.It is sadly amusing how much people do not want this to be about the man's religion or his Palestinian ancestry.
His relatives understandably want other Americans to believe that he was traumatized by listening to soldiers' stories about the wars. They certainly don't want people to think that there was anything about the atmosphere in his father's house that caused this man to reject the land of his birth and the obligations of his oath.
The media flacks have now been conditioned into political correctness to such an extent that they can't bring themselves to suggest that his Islam or his sense of grievance about American wars in the Islamic World had anything to do with what he did.
I did and did you see the part about wearing strange clothes and being caught on a surveillance camera.
Absolutely, their is little difference except for the location.
I think state of mind and intent will be the big issues. How those are defined will be determined by what jurisdiction he is tried in, assuming he emerges from his coma.
First of the heroes
Don't ever mess with girls from Carolina with guns. You'll lose. Hopefully, she'll recover from her wounds soon. My mom told me that Hoggard High School is recognizing her tonight at the varsity football game.
Officer who shot suspect is a firearms expert
The police officer who brought down a gunman after he went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood Army base was on the way to have her car repaired when she heard a report over a police radio that someone was shooting people in a center where soldiers are processed before they are deployed abroad, authorities said on Friday.
As she pulled up to the center, the officer, Kimberly Munley, spotted the gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, brandishing a pistol and chasing a wounded soldier outside the building, said Chuck Medley, the director of emergency services at the base.
Sergeant Munley bolted from her car and shot at Major Hasan. He turned toward her and began to fire. She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and the gunmen went down with several bullet wounds, Mr. Medley said...
Sergeant Munley comes from North Carolina, where her father owns a hardware store in Carolina Beach and is a former mayor. She attended Hoggard County High School.
Just caught the tail end of a tv report and Col. Jack Jacobs was talking about how the number of wounds and bullets don't seem to add up? He then remarked some injuries may have been due to friendly fire? Anybody else heard anything like this?
Last edited by slapout9; 11-07-2009 at 01:08 AM. Reason: fix stuff
I heard the term "friendly fire" used on the radio. I think it was referring to the possibility that the police officer's hail of bullets could have struck individuals other than the shooter. Unfortunate, if true, but excusable.
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