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    Unhappy Aye, there's the rubs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    Rule 4 Keep the Host Nation in the Lead: Rule 5 Conduct a Non-Bias Assessment
    Yes. Though I frankly don't think we're capable of doing either...
    Great question, and one that has been ignored too long.
    Doctrine (in that case is) dogma...

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    Default example of setting expectations

    Rule 6 Don't Commit to Fluff: national leadership carefully avoids making any fluff statements (we'll change country X into a budding democracy with a growing economy before we go home), and only make public statements about obtainable military objectives. Then maybe make comments something like we'll assist the host nation with development and reforming their government, but I want to be clear we'll only assist as long as they are making progress, if they refuse our advice, we won't waste our assets there. It isn't our success or failure, but theirs.
    Change Rule 6 to its their war.

    Example in today's news summary:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/op...oEk3anNjZVVxAA

    a Sept. 2, 1963, interview with Walter Cronkite:

    Cronkite: “Mr. President, the only hot war we’ve got running at the moment is, of course, the one in Vietnam, and we have our difficulties there.”

    Kennedy: “I don’t think that unless a greater effort is made by the [Vietnamese] government to win popular support that the war can be won out there. In the final analysis, it is their war. They are the ones who have to win it or lose it. We can help them; we can give them equipment; we can send our men out there as advisers. But they have to win it, the people of Vietnam, against the Communists. We are prepared to continue to assist them, but I don’t think that the war can be won unless the people support the effort and, in my opinion, in the last two months, the [Vietnamese] government has gotten out of touch with the people. ...”

    Cronkite: “Do you think this government still has time to regain the support of the people?”

    Kennedy: “I do. With changes in policy and perhaps with personnel I think it can. If it doesn’t make those changes, the chances of winning it would not be very good.”

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